KK drawy board $100NL

Villain is in the SB running 17/10 over ~100 hands.
I'm running 24/21 but haven't shown anything much down yet. My attempt to steal is at 35%
I don't know if villain is observant enough to know this.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($112.57)
MP ($362.84)
CO ($104.48)
Hero ($105.65)
SB ($124.71)
BB ($135.91)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif.
3 folds, Hero raises to $4, SB calls $3.50, 1 fold.

Flop: ($9) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $9, SB calls $9.

Turn: ($27) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero???

Two parts to this - first, are you betting this turn again, now one of the draws has completed, or checking behind with our 6/8 outs?

I think I like a check behind here.

I don't really think he has the straight, but two pair is definitely in his range.

I check because I think we'd have to call a c/r here on the turn to see the river, and we'd be committed on the river to call another bet. I don't think this is the spot I wanna play for stacks in with KK so I'd check and call any/most river bets.

I think we're either already behind or the flush is drawing to only 8 outs so I don't mind giving a free card here for pot control.

Ok, thats more or less the conclusion I came to thinking about this hand afterwards.
As played I bet $24 into $27, villain called. (I didn't give turn action much thought at the time - mistake)
River comes 2 :club: and villain insta shoves all in, hero has $68 to call into $143.
Are you calling this river bet?

I don't think I call, you only have a bluff catcher and no read.

yeah definitely check behind here. pair and a straight draw makes up a lot of his range IMO, and that either makes 2 pair for him or a straight.

griff, i dont understand why we would "have to call a c/r"? i dont think a crappy player is bluffing that.

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Originally Posted by will641

griff, i dont understand why we would "have to call a c/r"? i dont think a crappy player is bluffing that.

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I guses i' more speaking for myself. I'm a station in these spots, and don't think i'd be able to let go of an overpair +OESD in this spot to a c/r.. so for me I know I'd just end up committing myself to stack off after calling.

Though you're right.. its probably best to fold to a c/r depending on the size ofcourse. But checking through is best here I'd imagine.

I check the turn, as played, i call the shove and expect to see 2pair.

Easy check behind on the turn.