Idiot call of the week

I know exactly what he has yet I still call. Someone please bitch slap me!

POKERSTARS GAME #14573551568: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.02/$0.05) - 2008/01/15 - 09:56:20 (ET)
Table 'Admete' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Legran ($5.74 in chips)
Seat 2: Carsten29 ($4.90 in chips)
Seat 3: brandmester ($5.10 in chips)
Seat 4: yex17 ($10.96 in chips)
Seat 5: Pythonic ($19.98 in chips)
Seat 6: smoncek ($9.52 in chips)
Carsten29: posts small blind $0.02
brandmester: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Pythonic [As Ac]
yex17: calls $0.05
Pythonic: raises $0.20 to $0.25
smoncek: folds
Legran: folds
Carsten29: folds
brandmester: folds
yex17: calls $0.20
*** FLOP *** [Ad 9c 4h]
yex17: checks
brandmester leaves the table
Pythonic: checks
*** TURN *** [Ad 9c 4h] [2h]
yex17: checks
Pythonic: bets $0.30
yex17: calls $0.30
*** RIVER *** [Ad 9c 4h 2h] [Jh]
yex17: checks
Pythonic: bets $0.75
yex17: raises $4.25 to $5
walkingwreck joins the table at seat #3
Pythonic: calls $4.25
*** SHOW DOWN ***
yex17: shows [6h Ah] (a flush, Ace high)
Pythonic: mucks hand
yex17 collected $10.62 from pot

You're an idiot for the flop and turn, not the river.

What's wrong with checking this flop on a dry board?

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Originally Posted by Pythonic

What's wrong with checking this flop on a dry board?

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You won't get his stack.

why the river bet with 4 hearts on board? no hearts are folding and you beat all non hearts.

bleh i'd rather bet the flop but checking the flop isn't horrible, i'd bet .4 on the turn though. Idk if i have it in me to fold the river here.e

bleh i'd rather bet the flop but checking the flop isn't horrible, i'd bet .4 on the turn though. Idk if i have it in me to fold the river here though it is probably correct.

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Originally Posted by pgil

why the river bet with 4 hearts on board? no hearts are folding and you beat all non hearts.

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There are only 3 hearts on the board.

never mind...those non-converted HH's are hard to read.

I can't fold that river. but, if you aren't all in on the turn against most 5NL players, you haven't done your job.

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Originally Posted by Pythonic

Idiot call of the week

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You said it, not me.
Seriously, at these levels I think you see worse often enough that this isn't as big of a mistake as you think. (villain dependent)
I bet, bet, bet/call though. At these levels you get enough TT's or K9's to call you down that I bet all 3 st for value. It is just easier to get the stack in without an overbet. Also an aggro image isn't a bad thing and you get paid by fast playing your hands if you bet more flops. Would you cbet this flop with air? Then don't play your hand backwards.

BET BIG EVERY STREET ALL THE TIME. do not check for deception. by the time you get to the turn, 90% of these players have already forgotten the flop action.

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Originally Posted by bair

BET BIG EVERY STREET ALL THE TIME. do not check for deception. by the time you get to the turn, 90% of these players have already forgotten the flop action.

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What about the flop we check sets on dry flops that lead to the villian making a smaller set on the turn?

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Originally Posted by bair

BET BIG EVERY STREET ALL THE TIME. do not check for deception. by the time you get to the turn, 90% of these players have already forgotten the flop action.

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What about the flops we check sets on dry flops that lead to the villian making a smaller set on the turn?

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BET BIG EVERY STREET ALL THE TIME. do not check for deception. by the time you get to the turn, 90% of these players have already forgotten the flop action.

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What about the flops we check sets on dry flops that lead to the villian making a smaller set on the turn?

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4%

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bleh i'd rather bet the flop but checking the flop isn't horrible, i'd bet .4 on the turn though. Idk if i have it in me to fold the river here.e

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Never slow play at this level.

yeah that never happens lol. you check sets on dry flops sometimes so they can catch up, but that doesnt happen on ace high flops because they can never catch up to top pair. checking JJJ QQQ KKK on a J/q/k high dry flop is way diff imo than checking AAA. at the limits ur playing i would pretty much never check any made hand.

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Originally Posted by bair

yeah that never happens lol. you check sets on dry flops sometimes so they can catch up, but that doesnt happen on ace high flops because they can never catch up to top pair. checking JJJ QQQ KKK on a J/q/k high dry flop is way diff imo than checking AAA. at the limits ur playing i would pretty much never check any made hand.

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I get what your saying but this has happened to me a few times. Last time was at 25NL. He made QQQ on the flop and checked and I made 333 on the turn and lost a double stack!

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yeah that never happens lol. you check sets on dry flops sometimes so they can catch up, but that doesnt happen on ace high flops because they can never catch up to top pair. checking JJJ QQQ KKK on a J/q/k high dry flop is way diff imo than checking AAA. at the limits ur playing i would pretty much never check any made hand.

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I get what your saying but this has happened to me a few times. Last time was at 25NL. He made QQQ on the flop and checked and I made 333 on the turn and lost a double stack!

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yeah well thats real unlucky. the odds of them having a pocket pair is low, multiply that by the odds of them hitting a set on the turn, and it comes out to roughly 0%.

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Originally Posted by bair

yeah that never happens lol. you check sets on dry flops sometimes so they can catch up, but that doesnt happen on ace high flops because they can never catch up to top pair. checking JJJ QQQ KKK on a J/q/k high dry flop is way diff imo than checking AAA. at the limits ur playing i would pretty much never check any made hand.

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I get what your saying but this has happened to me a few times. Last time was at 25NL. He made QQQ on the flop and checked and I made 333 on the turn and lost a double stack!

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yeah well thats real unlucky. the odds of them having a pocket pair is low, multiply that by the odds of them hitting a set on the turn, and it comes out to roughly 0%.

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I rarely check any sets made on the flop but I did on this one for some reason. Probably had to do with making another set of aces on my other table at the same time and I lost focus. It just pisses me off that I knew he had a flush for sure and I decide to be a hero and look him up.

Well if they're all playing like nits I can understand the flop check, if it's a loose callfest just bet all 3 streets.

Yeah and the river is a clear fold at such a level, they're in general way too passive to overraise the river like that with anything but the nuts.

nh, well played. sick beat.

you may want to just consider shoving the river next time. It will look so suspicious that you will almost certainly get called every time.