Today's river spot

Villain is 29/14/3.29 over a large sample. I have a note that he's capable of moves. I don't recall him ever doing anything on the river though. He's more the type to run a bluff off the flop. I'm not sure if he's capable of raising this river as a bluff.

Is this a call? It's about 80bbs for me to call.


TEXAS_HOLDEM, NO_LIMIT, P4-58670027-108
played at "jockelito's HE" for USD RM from 2008-01-18 13:52 until 2008-01-18 13:54

Seat 1: jerome_du34 ($62.75 in chips)
Seat 2: kuzim ($42.10 in chips)
Seat 6: Galapogos [ T:s:,9:s: ] ($160.55 in chips)
Seat 7: fry9111 ($78.30 in chips)
Seat 10: jockelito ($137.60 in chips)

Antes/Blinds
jerome_du34 posts blind ($0.50), kuzim posts blind ($1).

Pre-Flop
Galapogos bets $4, fry9111 folds, jockelito calls $4, jerome_du34 folds, kuzim folds.

Flop [board cards: 4:s:,3:h:,8:s: ]
Galapogos bets $7, jockelito calls $7.

Turn [board cards: 4:s:,3:h:,8:s:,K:s: ]
Galapogos bets $16, jockelito calls $16.

River [board cards: 4:s:,3:h:,8:s:,K:s:,7:h: ]
Galapogos bets $30, jockelito bets $110.60 and is all-in, Galapogos

... hero snapcalls! Nh.

He could have a misplayed set and 56 just got there for the straight. A bigger flush is ofc possible but w/e, then its just a cooler imo.

... I sometimes also checkraise turn allin if he's aggro enough to bluff on the turn.

this is not a snapcall because lower flushes would normally raise the turn, however i do think its a call because its 56 enough. and 56 is definitely raising the river if he is calling the turn. i'd call and expect to be beat some but we have enough equity. i'd say its almost always Asxs or 56, and there are 4x more combinations of 56s, and of course you always have to leave 5-10% for him bluffing.

You need to have a better hand what like 30% of the time?
Thats a tough one a river raise on this board after your line - man thats strong!

I call because Im a station but a river raise on this board is probably Axs too often esp, considering the strength you've shown.

yeah there is no way im folding to that. i'm not terribly happy about it, but i can't fold. if you lose then meh, reload.

It's almost impossible without having any actual history against the villian, only your conveyed history; however long-term it would probally be correct to fold.

If the villian is manic loose (far looser than 29/13) then I will default to assume he's bluffing. For most other players I like to see a river move atleast once before thinking the bluff likely enough for this call.

If I was fully focused, sober, or scared I might fold. Usually i'd call.

I don't mind raising T9s utg, 5 handed; it's game dependent, but I would often put in a preflop raise here.

Because I'm often raising, because I don't want the hand to spiral out of control and because i'm happy just to steal the blinds; I would almost never have 4bb as my raise (leave that to the tags).

$3.20 is my raise (that 80 cents can make a big difference). Raising these sort of hands is better with a smaller standard opening bet, in my opinion.

i would very rarely fold here.

that being said i think u could take a lot of dif lines with this hand vs this player

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Originally Posted by sauce123

i would very rarely fold here.

that being said i think u could take a lot of dif lines with this hand vs this player

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like what? what else gets the money in better than bet/bet/bet/call? i guess you could c/r turn but i think that would be pretty bad seeing as he only has 10 high flush.

The problem with this hand is that it amounts to almost a pot-size raise. It's not an insignificant shove. I would often call, almost always say flush vs flush 5 seat was cold deck; but given the play and the pot-size I think this is a hand that should be folded.

I would probally call.

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Originally Posted by bair

this is not a snapcall because lower flushes would normally raise the turn, however i do think its a call because its 56 enough. and 56 is definitely raising the river if he is calling the turn. i'd call and expect to be beat some but we have enough equity. i'd say its almost always Asxs or 56, and there are 4x more combinations of 56s, and of course you always have to leave 5-10% for him bluffing.

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56o is prob not in his range, and there are MORE combos of Axss than 56s, not to mention the fact that he easily does this with Kxss as well.

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this is not a snapcall because lower flushes would normally raise the turn, however i do think its a call because its 56 enough. and 56 is definitely raising the river if he is calling the turn. i'd call and expect to be beat some but we have enough equity. i'd say its almost always Asxs or 56, and there are 4x more combinations of 56s, and of course you always have to leave 5-10% for him bluffing.

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56o is prob not in his range, and there are MORE combos of Axss than 56s, not to mention the fact that he easily does this with Kxss as well.

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56o is definately not in his range. He's not really a range merger. It's more of a question on whether or not this is a lower flush or a pure bluff often enough to call I guess.

don t think you can fold since he'll almost always raise his bigger flushdraws on flop

also a riv checkraise is kinda cool

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Originally Posted by bair

this is not a snapcall because lower flushes would normally raise the turn, however i do think its a call because its 56 enough. and 56 is definitely raising the river if he is calling the turn. i'd call and expect to be beat some but we have enough equity. i'd say its almost always Asxs or 56, and there are 4x more combinations of 56s, and of course you always have to leave 5-10% for him bluffing.

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56o is prob not in his range, and there are MORE combos of Axss than 56s, not to mention the fact that he easily does this with Kxss as well.

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56o is definately not in his range. He's not really a range merger. It's more of a question on whether or not this is a lower flush or a pure bluff often enough to call I guess.

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yeah i have no idea what i was thinking when i said that about the combinations.