My first triple barrel shove bluff

played 150 hands with villian, no outstanding history. His stats suggest he's a sTAG or semi-LAG, which is what he has me around probably.

I'm new to shorthanded and very new to multi-barrel and stack bluffing so I don't really know what to look for.

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (UTG): $189.35
BTN: $339
SB: $305.05
BB: $152.30

Pre-Flop: 7:heart: K:heart: dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to $7, BTN calls $7, 2 folds

Flop: ($17) A:spade: 5:diamond: 4:diamond: (2 Players)
Hero bets $14, BTN calls $14

Turn: ($45) 9:club: (2 Players)
Hero bets $35, BTN calls $35

River: ($115) J:spade: (2 Players)
Hero bets $133.35 and is All-In

good be good, could be bad.
depends on how he plays postflop. and what he is capable of calling with on btn. like just calling you utg raise with AK/AQ?

your basically betting the turn to 3-barrel. That usually isn't good.

Also i just wouldn't recommend trying to get someone off TP with a line like this.

I would not 3-barrel on this board after c/bet has been called. You could take this line with TPTK but I don't believe he would fold 2 pair which I believe he has most of the time.

doesn't 44,55,99 take this exact line?

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Originally Posted by meeloche

doesn't 44,55,99 take this exact line?

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if hes bad maybe

looking at it again i doubt he folds any A

Due to timing tells and player image I felt he had a draw he didn't feel like raising flop with or a semi-weak ace, all of which he would look to fold to a river shove. As far as not folding an ace, mb I dunno, but regs on 1/2 FT don't seem that felt happy to a bet/bet/shove line from an unknown without a very strong hand.

But even then, I felt it was very ugly. I imagine the most correct way to triple barrel bluff is when we flop some kinda draw, or not on an ace high flop non-scary board. Would this have been better if the board was Q549J?

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Originally Posted by Massimo

Also i just wouldn't recommend trying to get someone off TP with a line like this.

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Hmm, bet flop, check/shove turn ftw or what? You meant to say 'board' instead of 'line' or do you have some reason to believe bet/bet/shove doesn't fold out top pairs often enough?

Try not to build pots OOP with air

72 looks so much stronger

Can we generally bet flop, check turn and bet river on this board when turn checks through.

Can someone help me on what type of hands bet the turn and what hands check behind?

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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

Try not to build pots OOP with air

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Yeah you're definitely right about the air part when it comes to the majority of situations, but would firing 3 IP be any different here? I guess it's gonna be some different, but how much I ask. Firing 3 IP does kinda look stronger since we're able to check behind more often, and villian doesn't wanna play as many marginal hands OOP. So yea it is diff.

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Originally Posted by sauce123

this is a giant leap forward. you may never fold again, and great riches and success will be yours.

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I appreciate the encouragement.

I don't know about anyone else, but my first big 3-barrell kinda snuck up on me. All of a sudden I was sitting on the river with nothing in a bloated pot, and god stated "He can not call a shove my son, so just do it pansy". I shoved, villain folded, and I went to change my underwear.

3-barrells are rare. They kind of choose you.

Hahaha awesome Rondavu, thnx for the sig :lol:

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

Due to timing tells and player image I felt he had a draw

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If this is my strong read in a hand, then I usually just bet 2/3 pot or so, cause a missed draw is folding anyhow. Your bluff has to work a lot less often (40% of the time to breakeven) with a 2/3's pot bet vs your overbet shove (has to work 54% of the time to breakeven).

Also I find that a lot of players give more credit to a bet that seems like it wants to get called.

Hell, if he's not a thinking player, you could just bet like $50 on the river if you think he's missed a draw. He can't call it with nothing, and if he's not thinking/creative he won't reraise your small bet. Maybe $70 is better incase he has a little something + a draw though. I read some quote the other day, "Bluffs need to be only enough to get the job done, and not a chip more."

i feel like ive tried this on a lot of similar boards thinking, he surely can not call this with a naked ace, but sure enough they do. its really weird, i feel more comfortable bluff shoving against donkeys than good players, even though good players are the ones folding TP.

The entire issue of the hand is how sure you are he has a fd, because a fd is drawing too well against you. If you had a pair like 22 or 33 this would be much better. In general its pretty stupid to bet three streets with not even a glimpse of a draw.

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Originally Posted by griffey24

Also I find that a lot of players give more credit to a bet that seems like it wants to get called.

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The term for players like that is "fish". If you bet big for value and small as a bluff against them then they'll be busto real quick.

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

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Originally Posted by Massimo

Also i just wouldn't recommend trying to get someone off TP with a line like this.

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Hmm, bet flop, check/shove turn ftw or what? You meant to say 'board' instead of 'line' or do you have some reason to believe bet/bet/shove doesn't fold out top pairs often enough?

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I meant both board and line. The board is just drawy enough and the river is safe enough that most players are just gonna call you down with an A here because you "could have a missed draw."

A turn check/raise is probably a better line, but since you don't have any outs i wouldn't reccomend it usually (unless you have good reads).

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Originally Posted by will641

i feel like ive tried this on a lot of similar boards thinking, he surely can not call this with a naked ace, but sure enough they do. its really weird, i feel more comfortable bluff shoving against donkeys than good players, even though good players are the ones folding TP.

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Thanks for all the input. Next time I hope to not be so dirty.

He tanked then said 'nh' and folded. I believe our lack of history was quite important here. He had never seen me triple or probably even double without a sweet hand.

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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

The entire issue of the hand is how sure you are he has a fd, because a fd is drawing too well against you. If you had a pair like 22 or 33 this would be much better. In general its pretty stupid to bet three streets with not even a glimpse of a draw.

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Maybe 22 or 33 isn't a good example since vs a naked fd our equity is almost identical as with K high. Little better if our pair has one of suit.

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

Thanks for all the input. Next time I hope to not be so dirty.

He tanked then said 'nh' and folded. I believe our lack of history was quite important here. He had never seen me triple or probably even double without a sweet hand.

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He probably had diamonds. FWIW I never make a speech unless I'm folding air.