Getting Stacked ! Help Renton

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02-12-2008, 08:47 PM
Kozmo

Getting Stacked ! Help Renton

$100 USD NL Texas Holdem - Tuesday, February 12, 13:21:10 ET 2008
Table Table 127195 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 4: ( $100 USD )
Seat 6: ( $128.63 USD )
Seat 8: ( $100 USD )
Seat 10: ( $115.81 USD )
Seat 3: ( $119.54 USD )
Seat 2: ( $138.70 USD )
Seat 5: ( $117.23 USD )
Seat 9: ( $74.50 USD )
Seat 1: ( $33.46 USD )
Seat 7: ( $95.50 USD )
Seat 7 posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
Seat 8 posts big blind [$1 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Seat 6[ 5c Ac ]
Seat 9 folds
Seat 10 folds
Seat 1 folds
Seat 2folds
Seat 3 folds
Seat 4 raises [$3 USD]
Seat 5 folds
Seat 6 calls [$3 USD]
Small Blind folds
Big Blind folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2d, Kc, Ad ]
Seat 4 bets [$5 USD]
Seat 6 raises [$15 USD]
Seat 4 calls [$10 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Th ]
Seat 4 checks
Seat 6 [$21 USD]
Seat 4 calls [$21 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 3d ]
Seat 4 is all-In [$61 USD]
Seat 6 Folds
Seat 4 shows [ 9d, 7d ]a flush, Ace high.
Seat 6 shows [ 5c, Ac ]a pair of Aces.

I'm Seat 6 on the button. Seat 4 I know he's on flush draw he's 21.3/15.7/3
Hands like this been happeneing to me and every single time villain sucks out, I raise as you could see and they still call. I haven't won one of these type hands yet 0 for 10, and even got stacked several times.
I think I played it right and raised to make it unfavorable odds for him.
Also I know I cold called A5 suited in position, but my read was right and he raises preflop alot with trash.

So what do you think Renton or anybody else, could I have played it differently ?
Renton I am trying to follow your strategy but I am running bad.
02-12-2008, 10:50 PM
Deanglow

Please read the beginner's hand range guide. You should not have played this hand preflop.
02-12-2008, 11:58 PM
Kozmo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deanglow

Please read the beginner's hand range guide. You should not have played this hand preflop.

Sorry, totally disagree with you there. A5 suited is a playable hand when your on the button and know who your up against. The opponent I was up against made a $3 preflop raise like every second hand. When I had him HU I knew my aces were good and he was drawing to a flush, thats why I was not worried about the kicker. I had him beat on every street till he sucked out on the river with a diamond. He was going to get stacked but got lucky, and called my raises that he shouldn't have called because I think I raised enough to take away his odds. But if someone like Renton could comment on this hand it would be most appreciated.
02-13-2008, 12:18 AM
Jack Sawyer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deanglow

Please read the beginner's hand range guide. You should not have played this hand preflop if you don't know how to play it postflop.

fyp

Original Poster, Renton is not the only one who plays these stakes around here
02-13-2008, 12:29 AM
bjsaust

Villian only hits his flush 1/3 times. That means 2/3 times you should win these hands. If thats not the case then either you've hit some variance or you're not counting all the hands you win when you say "Hands like this been happeneing to me and every single time villain sucks out".

10 hands is a small sample.
02-13-2008, 12:32 AM
kmind

I don't get pre, flop and "I know he's on the flush draw"
02-13-2008, 09:16 AM
Deanglow

You need to put your opponents on hand ranges, not just a single hand. You did not "know" he had a flush draw. He could have easily had a better ace, a set or two pair. Don't play these hands out of position at this level; it is burning money.
02-13-2008, 09:52 AM
Kozmo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deanglow

You need to put your opponents on hand ranges, not just a single hand. You did not "know" he had a flush draw. He could have easily had a better ace, a set or two pair. Don't play these hands out of position at this level; it is burning money.

If your going to comment on the hands get it right.
1. I put him on a flush draw, and I was right.
2. I was on the button and I had position, he checked to me on the turn, and isn't the button last position when I am last to act.
02-13-2008, 09:59 AM
sweetlemon69

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deanglow

Please read the beginner's hand range guide. You should not have played this hand preflop.

Agreed. Axs is a drawing hand and should typically be played with multiple people in front of you. I wouldn't' feel safe drawing out any implied odds over 10 hands. And to call a raise with this... 1 person still in(and only have him on 10 hands)? eek.
02-13-2008, 10:11 AM
Pelion

Quote:

So what do you think Renton or anybody else, could I have played it differently ?
Renton I am trying to follow your strategy but I am running bad.

Dont ask for advice and then tell everyone you played it perfectly anyway.

Dont post bad beats and pretend you are asking for advice.
02-13-2008, 10:31 AM
jyms

What site lets you show folds and show hands folded to? I don't get this HH at all.

Secondly, why are you ballooning the pot on the flop with TPNK? His flush hit's 1/3 time, and if he has anything other than that you are losing a huge pot. You can't put him on just a FD, if you are and he has AQ here, you are losing a ton of cash as well. The only hand you beat that calls that flop raise is the FD. Do some reading on reverse implied odds. If he raises trash preflop, your still only drawing to 3 outs since you can't play any pots without an A on board.
02-13-2008, 10:32 AM
kmind

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kozmo

1. I put him on a flush draw, and I was right.
2. I was on the button and I had position, he checked to me on the turn, and isn't the button last position when I am last to act.

1. You can't put him on a single hand/draw.
2. Position is the bomb. Position is not the bomb if you don't play cards that are good against his range (yes, I said range...not hand)
02-13-2008, 10:33 AM
Kozmo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pelion

[quote
Dont ask for advice and then tell everyone you played it perfectly anyway.

Dont post bad beats and pretend you are asking for advice.

Actually I was asking for advice, for instance when I bet. Did I bet correctly? Did I take away his odds ? Did he make a mistake by calling my raises ?
But I thank you for telling me that I played it correctly and this was nothing but a bad beat.
02-13-2008, 10:35 AM
jyms

He didn't tell you you played correctly.
02-13-2008, 11:01 AM
eugmac

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kozmo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deanglow

You need to put your opponents on hand ranges, not just a single hand. You did not "know" he had a flush draw. He could have easily had a better ace, a set or two pair. Don't play these hands out of position at this level; it is burning money.

If your going to comment on the hands get it right.
1. I put him on a flush draw, and I was right.

This is called being results oriented. What was the reasoning behing your extremely precise read? Do you know how much he bets when he has top pair with AK? What about if he has hit a set?

We're just advising you, because when people think the way you are thinking, they lose money.
02-13-2008, 11:18 AM
sweetlemon69

I think this thread was created to show Renton how hardcore of a fan he is. Unfortunately it doesn't appear that he's taking everyones advice into consideration. :(
02-13-2008, 11:37 AM
Kozmo

Quote:

Originally Posted by sweetlemon69

I think this thread was created to show Renton how hardcore of a fan he is. Unfortunately it doesn't appear that he's taking everyones advice into consideration. :(

Yes I am taking everybody's advice in consideration, and I thank you all for your comments. I see I need help in putting people on "Hand Ranges".
This particular opponent just about pre-flopped raised $3 everyhand and plays "any two cards". When he bet the flop and I raised he just called, then he checked the turn so I had a gut feeling he was on a flush draw, cause he plays any suited cards.

Anyways I do appreciate the comments. Can someone direct to where I might be able to get knowledge of putting ppl on "hand ranges". I can't seem to find any.

Thank you
02-13-2008, 12:27 PM
sweetlemon69

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ul-t36037.html

A great thread of articles written by the FTR seniors. Very good starting guide.
02-13-2008, 12:46 PM
kmind

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kozmo

Quote:

Originally Posted by sweetlemon69

I think this thread was created to show Renton how hardcore of a fan he is. Unfortunately it doesn't appear that he's taking everyones advice into consideration. :(

Yes I am taking everybody's advice in consideration, and I thank you all for your comments. I see I need help in putting people on "Hand Ranges".
This particular opponent just about pre-flopped raised $3 everyhand and plays "any two cards". When he bet the flop and I raised he just called, then he checked the turn so I had a gut feeling he was on a flush draw, cause he plays any suited cards.

Anyways I do appreciate the comments. Can someone direct to where I might be able to get knowledge of putting ppl on "hand ranges". I can't seem to find any.

Thank you

I hate to be a nitpick and I am not trying to be an ass (just trying to help), but if they play ATC (though his stats don't say so) then there should be even more hands in his range, unless he ONLY does this line with a FD but that is really highly doubtful. Just keep trying to think of any cards he can have due to each street, reads/stats, lines etc. No one is trying to be mean here, just trying to help.
02-13-2008, 01:14 PM
jyms

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms

What site lets you show folds and show hands folded to? I don't get this HH at all.
02-13-2008, 02:21 PM
wesrman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms

What site lets you show folds and show hands folded to? I don't get this HH at all.

I believe Ultimate bet allows you to fold and show if you are last to fold.
02-13-2008, 02:26 PM
jyms

UB names the tables, not numbers and doesn't have seat 1, seat 2.....nor can you show after the winner of the hand shows, you need to fold and show, and I am still not sure you can see the winners hand.
02-13-2008, 02:27 PM
eugmac

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms

UB names the tables, not numbers and doesn't have seat 1, seat 2.....nor can you show after the winner of the hand shows, you need to fold and show, and I am still not sure you can see the winners hand.

Are you insinuating that he made up the results? That'd be pretty harsh.
02-13-2008, 02:33 PM
jyms

He said villain was a 21/16/3 playing ATC and raising every second hand. He also said he knew he was on a flush draw. Something ain't right, none of this adds up.
02-13-2008, 02:35 PM
Jack Sawyer

LOL, Sleuth_Jyms ;)
02-13-2008, 02:36 PM
jyms

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...70.html#640188
02-13-2008, 02:40 PM
wesrman

Quote:

Originally Posted by eugmac

Are you insinuating that he made up the results? That'd be pretty harsh.

If you are : thems fightin words..lol