Full Tilt Report (with a few hands)

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02-27-2008, 11:23 AM
d0zer

Full Tilt Report (with a few hands)

The software drove me nuts at first, I hate the bet slider compared to stars' so now I've started typing bets, which at 25NL is a pain when you've got a limper and have to type "1.25" when you've got 6 other tables needing attention :x

I like how you can set your auto-buyins as the max though... Other than that everything's pretty much the same. Uglier themes than stars' 'simple' theme. Overall not bad.

Despite less tables, I have about as easy of a time finding 30%+ flop tables almost any time of the day, and so far my winrate is sexy. Only 4k hands so far, but at 12.5PTBB/100 it's been a good 4k hands. Made $40 of my bonus so far...it's a slow but steady process. I've been almost perfectly disciplined with BR mgmt, starting at $500, playing 25NL only (except for that drunken 50NL night where I donked a buy-in :x).

Anyway, enough blabbing, here's a few sticky situations I got myself into:

Villain unknown here. I f'n hate blind wars. I really thought he figured I was steal / c-betting on the flop which is why I continued here despite his aggression.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP1 ($24.75)
MP2 ($7.30)
CO ($3.05)
Button ($10.60)
Hero ($30.85)
BB ($32.70)
UTG ($5.05)
UTG+1 ($10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif.
6 folds, Hero raises to $1.1, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2.10) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1.75, BB raises to $4, Hero calls $2.25.

Turn: ($10.10) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $7, Hero calls $7.

River: ($24.10) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $20.7 (All-In)

Here villain was 11/8 over 40 hands, infinite post-flop aggression. I was really lost on this one. I obviously thought villain would get tricky on the flop with less than TPTK (I'd seen him appear to c-bet on a couple flops), but I didn't have a plan for what I was going to do next after calling. His re-raise on the flop really threw me into a cautious "call it down" mode, which may have been a mistake...

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

UTG+1 ($4.85)
MP1 ($19.45)
MP2 ($24.65)
Hero ($27.70)
CO ($24.65)
Button ($25.40)
SB ($24.10)
BB ($11.80)
UTG ($4.65)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/kd.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ac.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, 1 fold, Button calls $1.25, 2 folds, UTG+1 folds.

Flop: ($3.10) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/5h.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ks.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/9h.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $2.25, Button raises to $9.85, Hero calls $7.60.

Turn: ($22.80) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/2s.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($22.80) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/3h.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $10 ...
02-27-2008, 11:57 AM
kingnat

You must get AHK Scripts.. now... don't walk, RUN to http://www.overcards.com/wiki/moin.cgi/AutoHotKey and pick up the autohotkey.com software.. then betpot.

It's the only thing that will make FTP bearable... gl.
02-27-2008, 12:10 PM
d0zer

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingnat

You must get AHK Scripts.. now... don't walk, RUN to http://www.overcards.com/wiki/moin.cgi/AutoHotKey and pick up the autohotkey.com software.. then betpot.

It's the only thing that will make FTP bearable... gl.

Oh awesome.

Thanks man, you da man, man :)
02-27-2008, 05:50 PM
martindcx1e

Hand 1) You have to call the river since 40% of your stack is in the middle.

Hand 2) After the flop raise you need to decide if you are ready to play for stacks or not and push/fold.
02-27-2008, 06:03 PM
bjsaust

I'm taking a hiding so far. Well, actually not, I was running break even then ran a set into a straight and KK into AA.

I'm finding the opposite though, I was actually coming here for advice on playing tables full of nits. I'm lucky to find a table with greater then 25% flops, and when I do find one they seem to inevitably have 6+ people with stacks under $10. Thus far I'm really not enjoying the FT experience, but I guess losing can do that for you :p.
02-27-2008, 06:13 PM
d0zer

Quote:

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

Hand 1) You have to call the river since 40% of your stack is in the middle.

Hand 2) After the flop raise you need to decide if you are ready to play for stacks or not and push/fold.

Hand 1 I made a crying call -- I was more concerned with the correctness of how I got to the river. I've been playing those top pair hands more passively lately, should I have given up given how heavily villain laid on the aggression on flop & turn? Vs an unknown I was lost, but was scared given his aggression and relatively good bet sizing.

Why is hand2 a push/fold? Aren't I only getting looked up by better hands, and making worse hands fold?
02-27-2008, 08:22 PM
d0zer

Quote:

Originally Posted by bjsaust

I'm taking a hiding so far. Well, actually not, I was running break even then ran a set into a straight and KK into AA.

I'm finding the opposite though, I was actually coming here for advice on playing tables full of nits. I'm lucky to find a table with greater then 25% flops, and when I do find one they seem to inevitably have 6+ people with stacks under $10. Thus far I'm really not enjoying the FT experience, but I guess losing can do that for you :p.

Nights and weekends I have no problem finding 30%+ tables with nobody in the wait list, but you've gotta sit in some wait lists for a bit. Never takes me that long to get my 8 tables though. This is of course 25NL.

What's your problem playing against shorter stacks? They love going broke with top pair any kicker. I swear I make more with my TPTK hands vs them than I do any fullstack.
02-27-2008, 08:44 PM
bjsaust

No implied odds with a lot of hands I'd prefer to be raising PF. Something like 78s or small-mid PPs I can raise from position and have both good implied odds if I hit v's a std size stack, as well as just taking it down with a c-bet if I miss, whereas if I have two $10 stacks in the blinds then I'm basically only playing a hand like that for bluff value, meaning I'm down to raising only premium hands instead of speculative hands.

Of course I'm happy to take any tips I can get :). I'm just starting out at 25NL myself.
02-27-2008, 09:40 PM
d0zer

Quote:

Originally Posted by bjsaust

No implied odds with a lot of hands I'd prefer to be raising PF. Something like 78s or small-mid PPs I can raise from position and have both good implied odds if I hit v's a std size stack, as well as just taking it down with a c-bet if I miss, whereas if I have two $10 stacks in the blinds then I'm basically only playing a hand like that for bluff value, meaning I'm down to raising only premium hands instead of speculative hands.

Of course I'm happy to take any tips I can get :). I'm just starting out at 25NL myself.

While it is true that the shorties screw your implied odds for SCs and low PPs, they're often (but not always) looser players I find, so when you hit your TPGK, they're usually the ones who will call me down with a draw, or TPNK.

A lot of them also fit the profile (30/2 types) that spoon mentions in his 'raising behind limpers' thread as prime candidates for c-betting in position. I've incorporated that play a lot more now even if they are shorties just because most of the time they call, miss flop, check, fold to c-bet. When they donk lead on a high flop it's easy to get out of there.

I smile when I join a table and there's only 1 other fullstack. That usually means good times :)
02-27-2008, 09:51 PM
bjsaust

Hmm, interesting. I've been folding a lot of hands behind shorty limps because I figure they're more likely to just shove PF if I raise on them.

I did take almost all of one guys stack because every time I raised he called when he was in the blinds and I just shoved every flop (he had like a $5 stack that kept going down). Eventually I think he blinded out and left :p.

Ok, I'll stop avoiding those tables for a while and try adjusting to them instead, thanks :).
02-27-2008, 10:21 PM
martindcx1e

Quote:

Originally Posted by d0zer

Why is hand2 a push/fold? Aren't I only getting looked up by better hands, and making worse hands fold?

Villain could have a flush draw/combo draw and he would have to call your push. The only hand you are way ahead of is a worse K, and I'm not so sure that the outcome would be any different if you call flop/shove turn rather than shove flop. I guess maybe there's a small chance that a K folds to a flop shove but calls a turn shove, but villain seems ready to commit to this hand so I kinda rule that out. Once you decide to call the raise though your stack should be going in the middle anyways at some point in the hand, and I'd just rather shove before the flush completes.
02-28-2008, 01:03 AM
d0zer

Quote:

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

Quote:

Originally Posted by d0zer

Why is hand2 a push/fold? Aren't I only getting looked up by better hands, and making worse hands fold?

Villain could have a flush draw/combo draw and he would have to call your push. The only hand you are way ahead of is a worse K, and I'm not so sure that the outcome would be any different if you call flop/shove turn rather than shove flop. I guess maybe there's a small chance that a K folds to a flop shove but calls a turn shove, but villain seems ready to commit to this hand so I kinda rule that out. Once you decide to call the raise though your stack should be going in the middle anyways at some point in the hand, and I'd just rather shove before the flush completes.

<resultsOriented>
good call, he had the flush
</resultsOriented>

Usually I'm more paranoid about the flush, but for some reason all I was thinking was 'set'. ...which is dumb cause if I was so sure it was a set I shoulda folded, but instead I called where I shoulda pushed a AJh, KQ, TT-QQ,...

:x
02-28-2008, 01:12 AM
d0zer

Quote:

Originally Posted by bjsaust

Hmm, interesting. I've been folding a lot of hands behind shorty limps because I figure they're more likely to just shove PF if I raise on them.

...

Ok, I'll stop avoiding those tables for a while and try adjusting to them instead, thanks :).

It really is villain dependent. If there's a 3-betting maniac behind, save yer monies...& obviously don't try it constantly, or after yer betting AQ , KK in a row or somethin'. If you try it, introduce it slow, I think I spewed maybe a bit when I started raising lower SCs in CO/BU. If you've been playing tight, there's a 30/3 in the blinds, BU's tighter, a lil' PFR with 67s is a fun lil' play from time to time. Flop comes AJ5 he check/folds.

...

...or 3bets yah :(