Couple more random hands (lengthy)

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03-01-2008, 01:36 PM
snowboard_31

Couple more random hands (lengthy)

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Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP2 ($4)
CO ($2.10)
Hero ($8.80)
SB ($12.20)
BB ($11.75)
UTG ($9.40)
UTG+1 ($20.60)
MP1 ($1.55)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif.
3 folds, MP2 checks, CO calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.6, 1 fold, BB calls $0.50, MP2 folds, CO folds.

Flop: ($1.45) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB bets $1, Hero calls $1.

Turn: ($3.45) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
BB checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero....
a) was the flop call ok? On the turn how can i extract value?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

MP1 ($10.20)
MP2 ($12.35)
CO ($9.50)
Button ($2)
SB ($8.65)
BB ($7.45)
Hero ($7.10)
UTG+1 ($11.25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/kh.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ad.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.35, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.35, 2 folds, SB (poster) calls $0.25.

Flop: ($1.05) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ks.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/2d.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/5d.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.5, MP1 folds, SB calls $0.50.

Turn: ($2.05) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/5h.gif (3 players)
SB bets $0.1, [color=#CC3333]Hero .....

-this turn bet seems pretty post-oak to me and there are no draws coming in, how to get value?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

SB ($14.50)
BB ($6.70)
UTG ($3.15)
UTG+1 ($9.85)
MP1 ($7.10)
MP2 ($7.75)
Hero ($8.30)
Button ($11.15)

Preflop: Hero is CO with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/jc.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/js.gif.
3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.35, Hero raises to $0.9, Button raises to $3.2, 2 folds, MP2 folds, Hero ....

-heavy action this deep pretty easy to fold and move on?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

BB ($1.95)
UTG ($10.25)
Hero ($9.50)
MP1 ($10.40)
MP2 ($2)
MP3 ($2.50)
CO ($9.75)
Button ($11.70)
SB ($2.80)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/kc.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ks.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.3, 5 folds, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold.

Flop: ($0.70) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/8h.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/7c.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/5d.gif (2 players)
SB bets $0.5, Hero calls $0.50.

Turn: ($1.70) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/tc.gif (2 players)
SB bets $1.7, [color=#CC3333]Hero......

-SB is short stacked and i hate the leaving a little left behind, seems hes probably ahead but in situations like these i dont think i can get away from these overpairs

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

UTG+1 ($10.10)
Hero ($6.70)
MP2 ($10.35)
CO ($2.05)
Button ($2.35)
SB ($9.70)
BB ($11.95)
UTG ($5.30)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/7d.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ad.gif.
2 folds, Hero calls $0.10, 4 folds, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.25) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/qd.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/2d.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ac.gif (2 players)
BB bets $0.1, Hero calls $0.10.

Turn: ($0.45) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ah.gif (2 players)
BB bets $0.2, [color=#CC3333]Hero....

-should I have established my hand more on the flop? and now Im very likely ahead, what now?
03-01-2008, 03:03 PM
eugmac

Hand 1 I raise the donkbet on the flop. As played just value bet the turn 2/3 pot or something like that.

Hand 2 Flop with TPTK, bet more like .80-1.00 seeing that you're multiway and want to make flush draws pay (and I assume they will still call at this level). As played value-raise the turn, and perhaps fold if he comes over the top - a 5 isn't so unusual to see at 10NL, i believe.

Hand 3 Usually fold JJ unless BTN is a maniac, in which case gambool.

Hand 4 Why are you giving SB credit for a big hand? Raise, and get his small stack all in asap.

Hand 5 Fold Axs PF. Definitely don't open limp. As played, raise the flop - you are slightly ahead of all hands excepting flopped sets, and our equity goes way down on the turn if the draw doesnt' come. As played, raise the turn obviously.

Generally you are calling too much, i.e. you are way too passive post-flop. Raise for value a lot more.
03-01-2008, 11:50 PM
pankfish

Quote:

Originally Posted by eugmac

Hand 1 I raise the donkbet on the flop. As played just value bet the turn 2/3 pot or something like that.

Why on earth are you raising the donkbet?
03-02-2008, 12:02 AM
pankfish

Hand 1 is good, you have to bet turn for value.

Hand 2 you have to bet close to pot on the flop with the drawy board and Raise the minbet pretty close to pot on the turn.

Hand 3 If your jacks are ahead they are barely ahead. Ok fold

Hand 4 You have to raise the flop. Slow playing over pairs is going to get you in more trouble than it's worth. Given sb's stack size though it's not horrible. Not like he is going to be able to bluff you off, I would prefer to get him in on the flop though.

Hand 5 Top pair and flush draw, you are probably miles ahead on the flop. I would raise the flop close to pot and try and get it all in as soon as possible.
03-02-2008, 01:10 AM
Fnord

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Originally Posted by pankfish

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Originally Posted by eugmac

Hand 1 I raise the donkbet on the flop. As played just value bet the turn 2/3 pot or something like that.

Why on earth are you raising the donkbet?

Because playing strong hands fast is a powerful weapon
03-02-2008, 01:25 AM
pankfish

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Originally Posted by Fnord

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Originally Posted by pankfish

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Originally Posted by eugmac

Hand 1 I raise the donkbet on the flop. As played just value bet the turn 2/3 pot or something like that.

Why on earth are you raising the donkbet?

Because playing strong hands fast is a powerful weapon

So you think that popping them for 3x is more profitable than a flat call on this flop? Why is this? Is it because it will be easier to get our entire stack in on later streets? Is it wrong to flat call here?
03-02-2008, 01:57 AM
Fnord

I played some micro today to see what it was like after all the chatter about it on the boards. MY GOD, the play is so much like my $300 game it's really funny.

Anyway, here is how you school a fish godlike.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($6.69)
BB ($4.89)
Fnord ($4.51)
MP ($0.90)
CO ($2.73)
Button ($2.49)

Preflop: Fnord is UTG with 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif.
Fnord raises to $0.06, 4 folds, BB calls $0.04.

Flop: ($0.13) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
BB bets $0.06, Fnord raises to $0.25, BB calls $0.19.

Turn: ($0.63) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB bets $0.1, Fnord raises to $1, BB calls $0.90.

River: ($2.63) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Fnord bets $2, BB calls $2.

Final Pot: $6.63

Results in white below:
BB doesn't show.
Fnord has 7c 7d (three of a kind, sevens).
Outcome: Fnord wins $6.63.

Up until then I was playing around a third of my hands and playing the role of table bully. Playing an unraked game like this tight would be really silly and it's a GREAT place to learn how to really play poker.
03-02-2008, 03:00 AM
eugmac

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Originally Posted by pankfish

Quote:

Originally Posted by eugmac

Hand 1 I raise the donkbet on the flop. As played just value bet the turn 2/3 pot or something like that.

Why on earth are you raising the donkbet?

Every donk in the world slowplays when they flop trips. Isn't flat calling and raising/betting turn horribly transparent?
03-02-2008, 03:03 AM
Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by eugmac

Every donk in the world slowplays when they flop trips. Isn't flat calling and raising/betting turn horribly transparent?

This is why playing strong hands very fast can be easy money. Calling is fine too. It depends, but don't rule out fastplay.
03-02-2008, 03:31 AM
pankfish

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Originally Posted by eugmac

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Originally Posted by pankfish

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Originally Posted by eugmac

Hand 1 I raise the donkbet on the flop. As played just value bet the turn 2/3 pot or something like that.

Why on earth are you raising the donkbet?

Every donk in the world slowplays when they flop trips. Isn't flat calling and raising/betting turn horribly transparent?

Yes it is transparent. I'm not worried about fooling the opponent here. I think opponent mainly has air when he bets this flop though. I think villain is more likely to fire a second barrel than he is to call a raise on the flop without an ace is why I call on flop. If I had JJ I would play it faster hoping he had an ace, but considering I have an ace it's unlikely he has anything.

I'm not a big fan of slow playing, but I think that this is a case where it is the best play. Then again I guess raising gets the most value out of a worse ace on the occasions he actually has one.
03-02-2008, 03:37 AM
Fnord

You're vastly under-estimating how often some players will give us action from hands worse than Ax here.
03-02-2008, 04:07 AM
eugmac

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Originally Posted by pankfish

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Originally Posted by eugmac

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Originally Posted by pankfish

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Originally Posted by eugmac

Hand 1 I raise the donkbet on the flop. As played just value bet the turn 2/3 pot or something like that.

Why on earth are you raising the donkbet?

Every donk in the world slowplays when they flop trips. Isn't flat calling and raising/betting turn horribly transparent?

Yes it is transparent. I'm not worried about fooling the opponent here. I think opponent mainly has air when he bets this flop though. I think villain is more likely to fire a second barrel than he is to call a raise on the flop without an ace is why I call on flop. If I had JJ I would play it faster hoping he had an ace, but considering I have an ace it's unlikely he has anything.

I'm not a big fan of slow playing, but I think that this is a case where it is the best play. Then again I guess raising gets the most value out of a worse ace on the occasions he actually has one.

So you play QJ here in the same way? What do you think opp does with QJ in his spot? IMO you might get some spite-calls from Jx, 88-TT, etc when you raise flop whereas they'll give up once they don't improve on the turn and check/fold. A lot of people hate to fold on the same street that they've already put some money in on.
03-02-2008, 04:13 AM
Fnord

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Originally Posted by eugmac

A lot of people hate to fold on the same street that they've already put some money in on.

That concept alone is worth a goldmine. So when someone donks into you and you think you have a much stronger hand make a BIG raise. Over-bet the pot a bit.
03-02-2008, 07:12 PM
eugmac

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Originally Posted by Fnord

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Originally Posted by eugmac

A lot of people hate to fold on the same street that they've already put some money in on.

That concept alone is worth a goldmine. So when someone donks into you and you think you have a much stronger hand make a BIG raise. Over-bet the pot a bit.

f'real? being qft by you is embiggening my 25nl donkstakes ego. this can only end in disaster.