3 handed 3bet pot

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03-07-2008, 07:14 PM
mixchange

3 handed 3bet pot

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (3 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($92.25)
Hero ($209.60)
SB ($115.55)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif.
Hero raises to $4, SB raises to $14, 1 fold, Hero calls $10.

Flop: ($29) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB bets $21, Hero calls $21.

Turn: ($71) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero ??

Anyone check?
How much do you bet?
Do you call a shove?

Reads: I had won a couple hands recently shorthanded, including 3betting someone who raised my BB. Villain is not a maniac, or a super nit.

bonus river bluff hand:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Hero ($252.60)
UTG ($99.50)
MP ($58.15)
CO ($30.90)
Button ($111.25)
SB ($84.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/th.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/jh.gif.
UTG raises to $4, 4 folds, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($8.50) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/7h.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/3c.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/6h.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $5, UTG raises to $15, Hero calls $10.

Turn: ($38.50) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/7s.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks.

River: ($38.50) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/6c.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $31

This guy is a non thinking loose/passive, seems like the only type that might lay down an overpair here. Any other type it's bad, right?
03-07-2008, 07:19 PM
Galapogos

Re: 3 handed 3bet pot

Quote:

Originally Posted by mixchange

Anyone check?
How much do you bet?
Do you call a shove?

Yes.
No.
No.
03-07-2008, 07:47 PM
Ash256

1: I could so call any non-broadway river but that feels so dirty

2: I like.. out of interest what would you do against someone good/smart?
03-08-2008, 06:46 PM
mixchange

Interesting, G. Are you checking worrying about a trap, or pot control?

ash... you have to check against the good player in hand 2, if he checks it down, oh well, if he bets like $25 we can shove cuz he will call a river bet but not call a c/r AI
03-08-2008, 06:55 PM
Marshall28

HAND ONE : FOLD PREFLOP!

HAND TWO : B/3B ALL IN ON FLOP!
03-08-2008, 08:14 PM
Lukie

i can't imagine folding QJs on the button to a 3-bet if we're facing a light 3-bettor from the blinds.. seems kinda bad to
03-08-2008, 08:17 PM
will641

1) im folding this pre unless he is a 3betting monkey. as played absolutely check behind.

2) i think 3 bet/call on the flop.
03-08-2008, 08:30 PM
Roel

Why does no-one bet the turn here? Feels like he is letting go. Think i def b/f turn here.
03-08-2008, 09:29 PM
mixchange

Keep in mind, there are only 3 players. He's got a huge range here but I can overrep my hand by calling, plus we have position.

I'm also surprised some want to check turn.
03-08-2008, 10:25 PM
Roel

What exactly do you mean by overrepping your hand?
03-08-2008, 11:36 PM
Galapogos

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roel

Why does no-one bet the turn here? Feels like he is letting go. Think i def b/f turn here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mixchange

I'm also surprised some want to check turn.

What do you guys think betting the turn accomplishes?
03-08-2008, 11:58 PM
mixchange

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roel

What exactly do you mean by overrepping your hand?

Normally someone 3betting out of the SB has a tight range, but in this spot I've raised a couple times and 3handed people will 3bet very wide to prevent button from crushing the table. Very, very common if a table falls to 3 or 4 ppl, especially 3. If I call I usually have a pretty strong hand, stronger than I have. I put SB on a reverse steal most of the time here with a wide range, so by calling the 3bet (most of the time the button here folds 3handed) my hand is usually stronger than it is in this spot.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galapogos

Quote:

Originally Posted by mixchange

I'm also surprised some want to check turn.

What do you guys think betting the turn accomplishes?

It's a good question. I don't honestly have this well thought out and help is appreciated. I'll throw my thoughts in: if he has AT, JJ, KJ, or AK, diamond draw we're making him pay for the river, or fold. Of course if we're behind, we're badly behind and could use the free card. I think he makes the $21 bet with a lot of his range. I think his range is very wide in this spot, but I could be wrong about this player. I view it as A5+, KJ/KQ, 88+
03-09-2008, 01:17 AM
sauce123

if u call the 3bet with QJss and a Q or J is top pair u r all in

generally on the flop seems like a good place
03-09-2008, 03:53 AM
nutsinho

1-check
2- no
03-09-2008, 07:37 AM
Roel

By betting the turn we could fold out/charge a lot of hands that are behind but have a fair number of outs (AK/AJ/KJ/XdXd...). And since we would be overrepping our hand (let me know if i get this all wrong) we would know exactly where we stand if we bet here.

As for the free card we are missing out on if we bet here, what river card do we really want to see? a J? not really. a Q? we could still be in trouble.