Bluff Outs

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03-09-2008, 07:29 PM
mixchange

Bluff Outs

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

UTG ($64)
MP ($137.35)
Hero ($133.80)
Button ($85.50)
SB ($111.15)
BB ($111.90)

Preflop: Hero is CO with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/9h.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/th.gif.
1 fold, MP raises to $4, Hero calls $4, 3 folds.

Flop: ($9.50) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ts.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/6s.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/7d.gif (2 players)
MP bets $10, Hero calls $10.

Turn: ($29.50) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/qh.gif (2 players)
MP bets $27, Hero calls $27.

River: ($83.50) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/as.gif (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $92.8 (All-In)

By villain's bet sizing I feel he's trying to prevent me from drawing with an overpair. I feel I can bluffshove any flush to get him to fold (and possibly my missed straight). Basically any 8, 9, 10, or spade will be a good card for me to win the pot. That's what 19 outs we can win with? Anyone like thinking this way and playing it this way? We can value bet anything we actually hit for a good sized pot.
03-09-2008, 08:33 PM
dalecooper

I play hands that way from time to time and I think it's theoretically smart, but it's good to know that the villain is capable of folding. A couple of times this has really bitten me when the villain gave me the old "fuck it" call with TPTK or an overpair.
03-09-2008, 08:45 PM
bode

as long as you have a solid read on villain then this is fine. if you just *think* villains would(read: should) do this, then its gambley. idk, is that even a word?
03-10-2008, 08:45 AM
noble007

Yeah bluff outs are cool, just make sure you balance your bet-sizing a bit.
Like dont vbet 2/3 pot when you hit & overbet shove when you're bluffing.

Like the line above looks like a bluff because villian has shown potential weakness by checking to you on the river when the flush hits after your line has been check-call, check-call, (a draw usually) So most hero's in this spot value bet around 1/2 pot with the flush because they know they would be lucky if villian called that given the caution he showed by checking & how face up they have played their draw so when you shove in this spot it looks very suspicious even without a prior vbet sizing tell.
03-10-2008, 12:47 PM
Kagey

This line looks super bluffy to me. if you have a lot of history with Villain I don't think he's going to put you on the flush here, and nothing else makes much sense. I think he looks you uo with any ace, queen, KK. Any opinions on a thin value bet?
03-10-2008, 01:16 PM
dalecooper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kagey

This line looks super bluffy to me. if you have a lot of history with Villain I don't think he's going to put you on the flush here, and nothing else makes much sense. I think he looks you uo with any ace, queen, KK. Any opinions on a thin value bet?

It should be pointed out that the all in here is still only about a pot sized bet. But I do often favor a smaller bet on "bluff outs" - 2/3 pot is usually hefty enough late in the hand to get a fold.