The trouble with cowboys

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03-12-2008, 07:03 PM
dev

The trouble with cowboys

MP3 is 17/14/2/~200, I was running something like 22/22/inf/50 on that table, but if he's running a hud he'll have something like 18/15/6/200 on me. It might just be me that assumes players with that type of stats generally have some idea of what's going on. I hope I'm not giving him too much credit.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

UTG ($31.70)
UTG+1 ($12.65)
MP1 ($26.45)
Hero ($26.30)
MP3 ($24.25)
CO ($28.20)
Button ($25.45)
SB ($16.65)
BB ($5)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/kc.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/kd.gif.
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, MP3 raises to $3.5, 3 folds, BB raises to $5, Hero?

NB: BB is AI here

Ok, so folding is out of the question, but calling isn't. MP3 is agro. Is he raising here to isolate a high enough percentage to flat call and push over? Raising instead brings up the question of size, what do you do here?
03-12-2008, 09:33 PM
Muzzard

Felt this. I never fold KK pre 25NL, people will always felt KK and worse vs you so it will balance out anyway. I make it 11 and call a push obv.

EDIT: This might actually be an under raise so you can't re-raise I dunno...
03-12-2008, 10:19 PM
dev

Quote:

Originally Posted by PokerMuzz

Felt this. I never fold KK pre 25NL, people will always felt KK and worse vs you so it will balance out anyway. I make it 11 and call a push obv.

EDIT: This might actually be an under raise so you can't re-raise I dunno...

You dunno? seriously?
03-12-2008, 11:08 PM
Muzzard

Quote:

Originally Posted by dev

Quote:

Originally Posted by PokerMuzz

Felt this. I never fold KK pre 25NL, people will always felt KK and worse vs you so it will balance out anyway. I make it 11 and call a push obv.

EDIT: This might actually be an under raise so you can't re-raise I dunno...

You dunno? seriously?

Well it is stars. I'm pretty sure you could only call the raise by BB as it is an under raise. But then again why woudl you be talking about re-raising if it was an imposibility....?
03-12-2008, 11:42 PM
pokerfan

dude, what are you really worried about?? just call and keep MP3 in the pot.
c/r all-in on any non ace flops.
03-13-2008, 12:22 PM
paulwright

Agree withpokerfan - Call and c/r the aggro MP3 when the A doesnt come and he tries to push you out. Given MP3 stats and pot size of $15 - you prob have to fold if an A comes.
03-13-2008, 04:00 PM
dev

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokerfan

dude, what are you really worried about?? just call and keep MP3 in the pot.
c/r all-in on any non ace flops.

This was pretty much my thinking, too, but I have a sinister plan to play this one out piece by piece and check my thought process with FTR. Here's the rest:
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($31.70)
UTG+1 ($12.65)
MP1 ($26.45)
Hero ($26.30)
MP3 ($24.25)
CO ($28.20)
Button ($25.45)
SB ($16.65)
BB ($5)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif.
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, MP3 raises to $3.5, 3 folds, BB raises to $5, Hero calls $4.25, MP3 calls $1.50.

Flop: ($15.10) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks.

Turn: ($15.10) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $4.25, MP3 calls $4.25.

River: ($23.60) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $15 (All-In), Hero?

The turn bet is small, but it's into a dry side-pot and I figured I might get value from smaller pairs, so I didn't want to chase them out.
03-13-2008, 04:26 PM
euphoricism

check the turn too?
03-13-2008, 08:20 PM
bjsaust

Why would you check the turn? How can you fold the river?

Quote:

I figured I might get value from smaller pairs, so I didn't want to chase them out.

Bet big, get paid.
03-14-2008, 01:31 PM
dev

Quote:

Originally Posted by euphoricism

check the turn too?

I assume you want to check/call a bet on the river?
03-14-2008, 01:31 PM
dev

Quote:

Originally Posted by bjsaust

Why would you check the turn? How can you fold the river?

Quote:

I figured I might get value from smaller pairs, so I didn't want to chase them out.

Bet big, get paid.

Did you see that there's no side pot yet on the turn?
03-14-2008, 09:15 PM
bjsaust

What relevance is that?
03-14-2008, 10:13 PM
dev

No side pot = no bluff

Unless the guy is really new to the game, he'll know that most people wont bluff a dry side-pot, hence my bet can't be too big or V will fold a lot more often.