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$3/$5 $300 max. 6 handed (3 empty seats.)
My opponent and I both have around $450
Opponent is loosening up, and will float around light, but will fold pretty tight to serious money. He thinks I'm weak/passive/readable and he can control this table.
MPish limps
LP raises tp $10
I make it $40 from the SB with Aces
MP folds
LP calls because he's not going to let me push him around
~$85 in the pot, ~$350 behind
K84 rainbow
How are we getting maxium value here?
i probably trap this guy and delay cb in later streets. Betting 1/2 pot sounds all right, i guess.
I think a standard C-bet here is the way to go. He floats/thinks you are playing back at him. This is the perfect flop for a cbet, and therefore a perfect flop for him to float. I would imagine you would be able to gauge his reaction to both your bet and the flop enough to be able to judge whether he will be able to call/raise your turn bet. If he can't, then a CR on the turn should get a significant amount in the pot.
If he raises your flop lead, then CR turn.
A lead of ~65 puts 215 in the pot and 285 behind, so a large turn bet should be enough to have opp committed with any actual hand. I may attempt to c/c turn, CR river if I though he was capable of firing the river with any regularity.
I'd probably bet close to pot on flop and check/bomb turn
What 3-bet range does he put us on 3-handed?
Leading is standard but given reads and board I like a slowplay here - check/tank/call, c/r turn. If turn checks through lead river, c/r if we're confident he'll bet shown weakness.
Sounds like he thinks he's smarter/better than you and he might check through with AK/KQ on a safe turn to get you to stab at the river with JJ/QQ-ish stuff.
check to tank call and c/r all in on turn or some weak ass bet to let him shove over us
6 handed game, 9 handed table.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warpe
He floats a lot and you took initiative pre, so that says we have to lead, but that king could cripple the range of hands we get value from. so... c-bet 60/check-call/push should get it in against 99+, AK, KQ, KJ and maybe KT or A8.
Why would you ever check the flop to this guy with Aces in the hole?
You said he's folding tight. There are no draws on the board and since you 3-bet pre, checking the flop makes JJ/QQ/other crap that doesn't beat KK a more likely holding for you, therefore making it more likely that he'll continue/bet out in position with a K if he has one and perhaps with less. We don't have to play AA straightforwardly and predictably everytime we have it, esp on perfect boards for slowplay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
If I do bet out here I'm making it weak.
LoL, you're been playing too much online ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Warpe
You can heavily discount AQ+/AA-TT and figure that he's almost always seeing a flop with his crap to make some sort of stupid point about being stubborn.
sorri, misread. still, you didn't answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
He probably thinks I'm making such a large bet to get him to fold.
I aso doubt he's really thought much about 3-bet ranges, 3-bet defense, etc. So maybe he puts me on a bipolar range here.
When he min-raised he kinda shrugged/laughed and said "it's short-handed." So I'm pretty sure it's a fooling around raise with something like KT, QT, JT, KJish or a small pair or perhaps not even that good of a hand. Suited Aces, weak Aces and suited connectors wouldn't surprise me as much as JJ would.
Betting out is playing your cards, not the player. I'd want to give him a chance to think his Kx could be good.
if he is Kx he will think its good at least for this street no matter what we bet. the problem is getting value when he has something worse, which is a ton of the time.
Results:
I bet $50 on the flop to induce some action from a clear c-bet size. He called.
I followed through for $100 on the turn for pure value. He called.
Then I shoved the river for ~$250. He tanked for a while. "Nice Bluff" blah blah blah blah blah "Wow, didn't think you would follow through" blah blah blah "Did you have a King?" "I had two pair" (yeah right) blah blah blah.
Mixed feelings about a bet c/r line. I think a line like $60 on the flop and $150 on the turn would have had more value against his aggressive calling. I thought about a river check, but once he calls the turn I hate to let him showdown one pair for free on the river.