a couple of hands

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03-22-2008, 03:47 PM
meeloche

a couple of hands

1)Villain is donkish running 28/10/2
Whats the optimal line here.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($197.55)
Hero ($153.40)
BB ($25)
UTG ($62.95)
MP ($94.90)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif.
2 folds, Button raises to $3, Hero raises to $11, 1 fold, Button calls $8.

Flop: ($23) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $18, Button raises to $43, Hero calls $25.

Turn: ($109) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $41, [color=#CC3333]Hero ?

2) Villain is reg running 24/20/6.7 over 500ish hands.
No relevant history other than he's pretty aggro in general.
He has just sat down recently at a couple of my tables and we haven't really tangled yet.
Any value in raising at any point here?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Hero ($102.50)
SB ($27.35)
BB ($20)
UTG ($149.65)
MP ($99.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/qh.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/kc.gif.
1 fold, MP raises to $4, Hero calls $4, 2 folds.

Flop: ($9.50) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ad.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/qs.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/2h.gif (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($9.50) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/kd.gif (2 players)
MP bets $6, Hero calls $6.

River: ($21.50) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/3h.gif (2 players)
MP bets $14, Hero calls $14.

Final Pot: $49.50
03-22-2008, 04:07 PM
microgrinder

1) I think I get it in on the flop.
2) I sort of like this line actually.
03-22-2008, 05:56 PM
Deanglow

Quote:

Originally Posted by microgrinder

1) I think I get it in on the flop.
2) I sort of like this line actually.

Yeah

Hand 1 get it on the flop. He almost never has a flush here and often wants to get it in with AKc.
03-22-2008, 07:17 PM
nutsinho

agree ^^
as played in 1 just go all in
03-22-2008, 10:14 PM
meeloche

So in hand 1 I should be shoving over his raise for 150bb?
03-23-2008, 01:02 AM
microgrinder

Quote:

Originally Posted by meeloche

So in hand 1 I should be shoving over his raise for 150bb?

Yea, doesn't really matter what you raise to I don't think. I'm curious as to what the reasoning behind the call on flop is though, but I do believe you are ahead of his range on the flop and that worse hands will get it in. I mean we did his top 2 in the 3 bet pot :).
03-23-2008, 01:43 AM
will641

1) im either getting it in on flop or folding, but almost always getting it in, because so many turn cards suck ass for us. any club and a Q or K.

2) this line is fine. i think raising turn is slightly better though.
03-23-2008, 05:12 AM
Roel

Am I too nitty if i say fold pre in hand 2?
03-23-2008, 08:32 AM
bode

hand 1 either make another raise on the flop and call a push or shove over the turn. I think shoving over his raise on the flop is a bit much since we are so deep.

hand 2 is good.
03-23-2008, 11:43 AM
will641

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roel

Am I too nitty if i say fold pre in hand 2?

its pretty standard to call there vs a laggy player. if it were more like a 10/15, i think a fold would be better, but if you feel really uncomfortable calling with KQo from an MP raise, then you are probably better off just folding as it will do you more harm than good playing scared or worried.
03-23-2008, 12:39 PM
Ash256

Quote:

Originally Posted by will641

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roel

Am I too nitty if i say fold pre in hand 2?

its pretty standard to call there vs a laggy player. if it were more like a 10/15, i think a fold would be better, but if you feel really uncomfortable calling with KQo from an MP raise, then you are probably better off just folding as it will do you more harm than good playing scared or worried.

I'm thinking 3bet > call > fold.. what are you guys thinking?
03-23-2008, 01:13 PM
nutsinho

i like to flat kq in position vs loosish tags open, and then call their cbet no matter what comes and go from there.
03-23-2008, 01:48 PM
meeloche

Results:

1) I shoved turn and he flopped the nut flush. I was just wondering whether shoving flop would have been better. The reason I didn't was cause we were a bit deeper.

2) He had A9o, I didn't think he'd be calling me with anything I beat which is why i played how I did which i think is optimal in this situation vs this player.
03-23-2008, 02:32 PM
microgrinder

Quote:

Originally Posted by meeloche

Results:

1) I shoved turn and he flopped the nut flush. I was just wondering whether shoving flop would have been better. The reason I didn't was cause we were a bit deeper.

Was it KcQc?
03-23-2008, 10:54 PM
meeloche

No he had K6 which was kinda weird.