Combo Draw KTs

Villain was a bit spewy and overvalued TP type hands, standard way to play this?

$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($14.75)
UTG+1 ($31.75)
CO ($24.80)
Hero ($24.20)
SB ($12.45)
BB ($17.10)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is BTN :kd: :td:
2 folds, CO raises to $1.25, Hero calls $1.25, 1 fold, BB calls $1

Flop: :6d: :js: :9d: ($3.85, 3 players)
BB checks, CO bets $2.25, Hero raises to $7, BB folds, CO goes all-in $23.55, Hero goes all-in $15.95

Turn: :3s: ($49.75, 2 players)

River: :2d: ($49.75, 2 players)

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nh

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Originally Posted by Ash256

nh

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Cool, I'm kinda learning to play these kind of draws a lot faster. Usually pre this is a fold, but vs this opponent I thought I coudl stack with the right kind of flop.

3bet or fold pre. as played nh

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Originally Posted by bode

3bet or fold pre.

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calling pre clearly the best option imo

yeah calling preflop is fine. its def not 3bet or fold. flop play is standard.

^^^^ what they said. why would you 3bet or fold that hand otb? if he were in the blinds i would agree.

muzz, you have the nuts here. you have anywhere from 12-15 outs against his range.

Nice end to tonight session.... What a fucking ridiculous call so deep

$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($24.90)
UTG+1 ($42.55)
CO ($34.60)
BTN ($24.65)
SB ($19.95)
Hero ($48.20)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is BB :ah: :ac:
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $1, CO says "i was gettin close", 3 folds, Hero raises to $4, UTG+1 raises to $10, Hero goes all-in $48.2, UTG+1 goes all-in $32.55, CO says "wow"

Flop: :td: :3h: :jc: ($85.2, 2 players)
CO says "whos got what"

Turn: :6s: ($85.2, 2 players)

River: :6h: ($85.2, 2 players)
CO says "both show plz"

Final Pot: $85.20
UTG+1 shows: :js: :jd:
Hero shows: :ah: :ac:

UTG+1 wins $82.2 ( won +$39.65 )
Hero wins $5.65 ( lost -$42.55 )

i doubt this player understands the concept of deep stacks. lol nh.

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Originally Posted by will641

^^^^ what they said. why would you 3bet or fold that hand otb? if he were in the blinds i would agree.

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How could he be in the blinds? if we limped otb?

After looking at this hand, I think I'm going to stop limiting my decisions to raise/fold. Generally I folded this hand, but there's enough guys out there that allow you to play it for a profit @ 25NL...

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Originally Posted by dev

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Originally Posted by will641

^^^^ what they said. why would you 3bet or fold that hand otb? if he were in the blinds i would agree.

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How could he be in the blinds? if we limped otb?

After looking at this hand, I think I'm going to stop limiting my decisions to raise/fold. Generally I folded this hand, but there's enough guys out there that allow you to play it for a profit @ 25NL...

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Yeah, it's usually a fold for me too. I just look for good spots where I have a decent read and I'm in position vs a very aggro opponent.

As played is fine but if he's spewy and will stack off so easily, calling is good too. Part of the reason to play a draw so fast is to add some fold equity to your hand and to take the pot early against opponents who won't pay off; against this guy fold equity is low and pay off value when you hit is high, so I think you can go either way between calling and raising on the flop. I prefer playing these draws hard and fast against tight players (especially weaker ones). Against this guy you're just flipping coins. But you still show a profit, so I don't know if it makes much difference.

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Originally Posted by Renton

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Originally Posted by bode

3bet or fold pre.

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calling pre clearly the best option imo

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i thought he was in the SB when i posted that. definitly not a 3bet/fold situation, but i dont like a call that much either.

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Originally Posted by bode

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Originally Posted by Renton

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Originally Posted by bode

3bet or fold pre.

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calling pre clearly the best option imo

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i thought he was in the SB when i posted that. definitly not a 3bet/fold situation, but i dont like a call that much either.

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This doesn't leave us many options. :twisted:

fwiw I'm folding pre most of the time here.

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Originally Posted by HalvSame

fwiw I'm folding pre most of the time here.

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umm why? CO is opening a wide range and we are in position with k10s...

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Originally Posted by EzDuzIt

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Originally Posted by HalvSame

fwiw I'm folding pre most of the time here.

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umm why? CO is opening a wide range and we are in position with k10s...

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I agree, I call that all day long.

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Originally Posted by bode

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Originally Posted by Renton

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Originally Posted by bode

3bet or fold pre.

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calling pre clearly the best option imo

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i thought he was in the SB when i posted that. definitly not a 3bet/fold situation, but i dont like a call that much either.

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Why don't you like a call? There's no value in 3-betting this. You could fold I guess, but when I'm in position with a nice hand I love to call preflop and play some pokah.

Muzz, this is fine even against the tightest players. You're flipping with almost everything, and sets are only a 64% favorite.