Turned set in 3bet pot

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03-30-2008, 03:19 PM
badgers

Turned set in 3bet pot

Opp is 13/6 with 10 att. to steal. AF is 1.3 but I have a simple note saying "spewy". 400 hand sample. He is on 3/4 of my tables.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO ($49.50)
Button ($9.55)
SB ($72.30)
Hero ($53.10)
UTG ($50)
MP1 ($40)
MP2 ($55)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif. MP1 posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, MP1 (poster) checks, 3 folds, SB raises to $2, Hero raises to $6.5, MP1 folds, SB calls $4.50.

Flop: ($13.50) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($13.50) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB bets $8.5, Hero raises to....?
03-30-2008, 03:22 PM
Muzzard

20-22 IMO, lets hope he has AK/AQ and can't fold it.
03-30-2008, 03:23 PM
XTR1000

minraise, find it funny and see him shoving over AT/66/99 a lot.
03-31-2008, 05:36 AM
daven

Quote:

Originally Posted by XTR1000

minraise, find it funny and see him shoving over AT/66/99 a lot.
03-31-2008, 05:47 AM
badgers

Quote:

Originally Posted by daven

Quote:

Originally Posted by XTR1000

minraise, find it funny and see him shoving over AT/66/99 a lot.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeee

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

CO ($49.50)
Button ($9.55)
SB ($72.30)
Hero ($53.10)
UTG ($50)
MP1 ($40)
MP2 ($55)

Preflop: Hero is BB with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ts.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/tc.gif. MP1 posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, MP1 (poster) checks, 3 folds, SB raises to $2, Hero raises to $6.5, MP1 folds, SB calls $4.50.

Flop: ($13.50) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ac.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/6s.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/9s.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($13.50) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/td.gif (2 players)
SB bets $8.5, Hero raises to $17, SB raises to $65.8, Hero calls $29.60 (All-In).

River: ($106.70) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/7c.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $106.70

Results in white below:
SB has Ah Qs (one pair, aces).
Hero has Ts Tc (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: Hero wins $106.70.

sb said, "nice catch"
badgers_uk said, "ty"
sb said, "never expected you to be so idiot of that raise with TT"

Minraise ftw.
03-31-2008, 06:46 AM
Fnord

Walk me through your pre-flop and flop thinking.

I would call pre-flop but if I raised I'm c-betting any Ace board.
03-31-2008, 06:57 AM
badgers

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Walk me through your pre-flop and flop thinking.

I would call pre-flop but if I raised I'm c-betting any Ace board.

Pre-flop I thought his range would be something like any PP/AJ+ especially with the poster so I think I am far enough ahead of this range to 3bet in position.

On the flop I thought that I was wa/wb and I immediately wanted a cheap showdown. The only FD I can imagine opp having is AKs and I'm behind that anyway so I'm not worried about giving the free card. The positive for betting is that it folds out JJ/QQ
03-31-2008, 12:56 PM
Deanglow

Quote:

Originally Posted by XTR1000

minraise, find it standard and see him shoving over AT/66/99 a lot.

FYP

Reraising 1010 in blind v blind is fine. I would also bet the flop a lot here but checking behind with showdown value is fine.
03-31-2008, 03:17 PM
AlexMorris

The pre-flop raise seems great blind vs. blind. However, I hate the flop check. There are way too many over cards in his range that don't include an ace (KJ, KQ, QJ), which he should fold given a flop bet. All pocket pairs other than 66/99 will fold to a flop bet (he doesn't have AA based on his pre-flop call, so no worries there). I bet $8 on this flop and fold to a raise.

As played, any raise is fine. There's so much in the pot when you raise that he will call a push if he's willing to re-raise. FWIW, I raise to $22 in this spot.
03-31-2008, 08:48 PM
badgers

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexMorris

The pre-flop raise seems great blind vs. blind. However, I hate the flop check. There are way too many over cards in his range that don't include an ace (KJ, KQ, QJ), which he should fold given a flop bet. All pocket pairs other than 66/99 will fold to a flop bet (he doesn't have AA based on his pre-flop call, so no worries there). I bet $8 on this flop and fold to a raise.

Ah but this nit will almost never call a 3bet OOP with any of those hands unpaired hands. What does cbetting achieve here? If I bet it's probs more unexploitable since my checking range is almost exclusively TT-KK but I doubt Mr Nit is capable of exploiting me and in a vacuum a flop check is not horrible at all imo.
03-31-2008, 08:53 PM
Fnord

If I'm checking KK-TT, I'm checking AK sometimes too. Particularly given your notes.
03-31-2008, 09:23 PM
Miffed22001

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Walk me through your pre-flop and flop thinking.

I would call pre-flop but if I raised I'm c-betting any Ace board.

why do i want to 3bet a whole lot here? Because i ma fish or i believe fr players are incapable of 'good' blind play?
03-31-2008, 09:32 PM
AlexMorris

Quote:

Originally Posted by badgers

Ah but this nit will almost never call a 3bet OOP with any of those hands unpaired hands.

If we really think he will fold KQ, KJ, and QJ to a re-raise from the big blind, then the check becomes more reasonable, but I still don't like it. The reason is that you cannot win this pot if you don't bet the flop or catch a 10. I can't imagine that he will let you show down for free with any hand that you beat. Would he really call with 55 (or similar) pre-flop and then be willing to check it down? The c-bet is a way to win the pot right now without having to face a tough decision later on, since I assume he's good enough to bet the turn or river if you keep checking. If he pushes back, then he has a big ace or a set, and you go away.

Were you planning to c/f on all streets?
03-31-2008, 09:42 PM
badgers

I will usually call one street, I can see why Fnord says to balance with AK now because then I can call 2 streets sometimes and get value out of AQ/ opp trying to bluff me off KK-TT. (Incidently, particularly given your notes is a reference to the fact that this opp's more likely to two-barrel? Fnord's one-liners have so much info it's incredible)

If I bet I lose $10 every time he has an ace. If he does not have an ace I win the pot. By letting him bet his entire range on the turn I can win more money from his worse hands and lose the same amount against his good hands so hopefully I win more money. Problem is this guy might bet turn and river a lot with nothing so perhaps the bet is better.