QJs vs. utg raiser.

villain here is a 26/20/3/41, so a pretty small sample. no reads other than preliminary stats. calling turn is the only line i can see here against a relatively unknown. and then if river blanks do we call another half pot sized bet? and at what point do we fold?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($366)
SB ($158)
BB ($200)
UTG ($302.10)
MP ($185.75)
CO ($230.45)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif.
UTG raises to $8, 2 folds, Hero calls $8, 2 folds.

Flop: ($19) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
UTG bets $14, Hero calls $14.

Turn: ($47) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG bets $22, Hero....

i would raise to 58 here and fold to a push. if villain bets again on river, fold. if he checks, check unless another Q or J shows up.

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Originally Posted by wouterpoker

i would raise to 58 here

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why?

call turn and shove any river

i know i ll get flamed and u don t need to do this stuff but i rly like bluffing here when it looks like villain is repping AK

btw the "smart thing to do" is... it doesn't really matter :

-lots of aggro villains will 3-barrel this here since you can't have a big hand usually if you haven't raised by the riv and you can have a ton of draws.

-u beat bluffs but with no idea of villain's 2 and 3-barrelling frequencies it's pure guesswork. A 26/20 can def be 2 barelling a FD or pure air since it's so easy to rep a big hand after raising UTG

actually

minraise the turn

my god it looks soo fking strong he'll prob just flat AK and you get to decide whether or not to shove riv after he checks

I think call and fold blank rivers. Most guys will check the river with the part of their range that we beat here. Our hand isn't that great, we only really beat AQ/KQ.

I'm calling and seeing what kind of river hits. We still beat a good chunk of his range and when we river a jack we stack him ldo. I think raising the turn turns our hand into a bluff and I don't really want to do that.

Call turn call river

okay well, just wanted to make sure this wasnt a bad call, and i ginned the shit out of him on the river with a J. he had JT

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Originally Posted by will641

okay well, just wanted to make sure this wasnt a bad call, and i ginned the shit out of him on the river with a J. he had JT

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LOL NH

Why would people wanna raise this turn? We're ahead of KQ/AQ and villain won't put you on AK ever because of preflop. So I don't think they are folding any overpair at all on this board.

Flat the turn, and probably flat the river or maaaybe sometimes fold river but I prob rarely do.

i know it sounds sick but we can rep plenty of boats

as in, at least 3

but he's not folding AK. getting him off KK AA is real hard too.

he's betting small, so take advantage of it

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Originally Posted by Genitruc

i know it sounds sick but we can rep plenty of boats

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You can rep a lot of boats, yesss....

butttt the board is sooo huge draw heavy that any solid hand will have a hard time folding. All over pairs have better two pairs than QJ (which could be raising for value mayyybe, though doubtful).

KQ could be raising this turn with tp + OESD, and all overpairs straights are ahead of this hand.

There are two flush draws out that could be raising this turn.

There are just too many draws on this board to try getting any solid hand to fold.

Furthermore, preflop discounts a lot of boats (QQ/JJ probably not possible now) so you are repping exactly QT (which may be unlikely to be played against UTG raiser) and JT (which would also probably raise this drawy flop). So there is exactly 1 boat you are repping (QT) that wouldn't have 3-bet pre and that wouldn't raise this flop and about a million draws. So which hands will villain put us on!?

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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

Call turn call river

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Originally Posted by Genitruc

as in, at least 3

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really? i count exactly 2. QT and JT. im 3 betting TT-QQ ldo.

quadzillas are possible and not everybody 3-bets QQ all the time vs an utg raiser

i'm pretty much joking about raising btw, the sane thing is call turn and fold riv to a big bet

but I'm pretty sure if a thinking player bet turn small with AK and got raised lots of us would be saying "hmm tough spot" if it were a posted hand.

lol okay, i wasnt sure if you were joking or not. it didnt seem like something you would say, cause raising is really bad imo.