Two 5/10 river bluff shoves

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04-01-2008, 06:37 PM
nutsinho

Two 5/10 river bluff shoves

1. Villain is 34/19 over 53 hands is seems fairly crappy by 5/10 standards but not a huge donk or anything. At a lower stakes game the other day he raised button with KQs, 4bet over my 3bet, and called a shove after putting in close to 1/2 his stack with the 4ball...so I think he's going to show some aggression in spots where classic donks don't, and may not be a complete retard, but clearly he's going to be playing incorrectly a lot.
Seat 1: MARY0459 ($801.05 in chips)
Seat 2: PrimogenitoX ($1000 in chips)
Seat 3: IMSAKIDD ($180 in chips)
Seat 4: nutsinho ($1203 in chips)
Seat 5: bigluck21 ($1037 in chips)
Seat 6: FrenkThaTank ($1053.85 in chips)
nutsinho: posts small blind $5
bigluck21: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to nutsinho [7d 7h]
FrenkThaTank: calls $10
MARY0459: calls $10
PrimogenitoX: raises $40 to $50
IMSAKIDD: folds
nutsinho: calls $45
bigluck21: folds
FrenkThaTank: calls $40
MARY0459: folds
*** FLOP *** [6c Qd 9s]
nutsinho: checks
FrenkThaTank: checks
PrimogenitoX: checks
*** TURN *** [6c Qd 9s] [5d]
nutsinho: bets $110
FrenkThaTank: calls $110
PrimogenitoX: folds
*** RIVER *** [6c Qd 9s 5d] [Jc]
nutsinho: checks
FrenkThaTank: bets $210
nutsinho: raises $833 to $1043 and is all-in

2. Villain is 28/26 over 53 hands and is a known good player, but I haven't really played with him much before.

Seat 1: MARY0459 ($802.30 in chips)
Seat 2: PrimogenitoX ($1046 in chips)
Seat 3: IMSAKIDD ($200 in chips)
Seat 4: nutsinho ($950 in chips)
Seat 6: FrenkThaTank ($1078.85 in chips)
IMSAKIDD: posts small blind $5
nutsinho: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to nutsinho [9s 8s]
FrenkThaTank: folds
bigluck21 joins the table at seat #5
MARY0459: folds
PrimogenitoX: raises $20 to $30
IMSAKIDD: folds
nutsinho: raises $80 to $110
PrimogenitoX: calls $80
*** FLOP *** [6h As 4d]
nutsinho: bets $140
PrimogenitoX: calls $140
*** TURN *** [6h As 4d] [Kd]
nutsinho: checks
PrimogenitoX: checks
*** RIVER *** [6h As 4d Kd] [Js]
nutsinho: bets $700 and is all-in

I'll post my thoughts later but I'm curious to hear what others see in these first.
04-01-2008, 07:34 PM
Numbr2intheWorld

2nd one yes. Most people expect you to bluff the turn here if you're gonna bluff. The K and J are definitely great cards for you too.

1st one idk. Is he really betting that board thin enough for you to shove instead of call or fold?
04-01-2008, 07:47 PM
The Odds God

I like them both. It sucks when he has JJ in second one though. :D Massimo, I think you have to raise or fold second one because he has a queen here a lot.
04-01-2008, 08:04 PM
nutsinho

oops definitely didnt mean to post results...i think im losing my mind!
04-01-2008, 10:00 PM
IowaSkinsFan

2nd one is kind of bad, it doesn't really make much sense because I highly doubt your checking the nuts on the turn with a high frequency at all. Maybe you are, but he'd need to know that.

1st one is kind of weird. Your range is stronger than his on the river, but his range is still pretty strong. Again, it doesn't really make sense to c/r here either with a good hand.
04-01-2008, 11:01 PM
Numbr2intheWorld

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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

2nd one is kind of bad, it doesn't really make much sense because I highly doubt your checking the nuts on the turn with a high frequency at all. Maybe you are, but he'd need to know that.

Yeah but like i pointed out, usually regs are bluffing the turn there if they're going to now-a-days (and honestly i feel like that a lot of regs probabl;y think this too). I've noticed lately when i bluff in spots like this i don't get called
04-02-2008, 12:07 AM
nutsinho

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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

2nd one is kind of bad, it doesn't really make much sense because I highly doubt your checking the nuts on the turn with a high frequency at all. Maybe you are, but he'd need to know that.

1st one is kind of weird. Your range is stronger than his on the river, but his range is still pretty strong. Again, it doesn't really make sense to c/r here either with a good hand.

why wouldnt i check the turn with a good hand? its really hard to bluff in that spot with only 1.4x psb in your stack, so its pretty much standard for me to try to get value from floats with nut type hands in that spot by checking.
04-03-2008, 02:27 PM
Carroters

you are my hero Nutsinho excellent plays yeah!!!
04-03-2008, 02:43 PM
griffey24

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Originally Posted by Carroters

you are my hero Nutsinho excellent plays yeah!!!

I hope you're paying these ppl nutsinho =)
04-03-2008, 02:49 PM
Warpe

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Originally Posted by griffey24

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Originally Posted by [size=7

Carroters[/size]]you are my hero Nutsinho excellent plays yeah!!!

I hope you're paying these ppl nutsinho =)

ginger fanclub?