8 high in 3 bet pot

Villain has nittish stats over a small sample, I have a clean image. This the first time I've 3 bet him but I've seen him in a couple of 3 bet pots, none with the initiative.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($199)
BB ($219.05)
UTG ($142.80)
MP ($101.40)
Button ($220.70)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif.
UTG calls $2, 1 fold, Button raises to $10, Hero raises to $34, 1 fold, UTG folds, Button calls $24.

Flop: ($72) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($72) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $40, Button calls $40.

River: ($152) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $125 (All-In),

What are you trying to make him fold after you check this flop? I also don't like the 3-bet pre at all especially against a nit.

I always make my first 3 bet a bluff cause 90% of the time i never see a flop.

I'm expecting him to fold all his hands that don't have an ace in them. Am I expecting too much?

3-betting nits OOP light is almost totally pointless.

he called your 40$ on the ace what makes you think he will not call 125$ on the river?

also you has 9 high not 8 high like the topic says [amiretarded?]

i dont like this. main reason is what galapagos said.

I don't know what his flop checking range is, and that kind of concerns me. It sucks if he checked back AK/AQ (might be a large part of his range?). I think your assessment about him folding everything except an ace is pretty spot on by the river.

Preflop is fine sporadically. Even nits isolate pretty loose on the button.

ace is a good card to barrel only when we have good enough information that he doesn't have an ace in his hand; we get that by cbetting. since we didn't cbet we give up because he will still call turn with some underpairs and such that he would fold to a river bet, but he will also just flat with AK and call the river.

i dont mind firing the flop if we're firing a bunch of turns, but that still kinda sucks

pf is a problem. a nit isolates a limper, yea he has a hand; we can call if limper is bad and gonna call too, otherwise pitch. your logic about beginning of the session isn't necessarily correct since it may actually work against our favor since others especially nits tend to play unknowns straight forward.

So I realized that the problem with preflop is that I thought about his isolation as a wide range because I would do this with a wide range. A nit however obviously doesn't do this.

So nobody thinks he checks the flop with a lot of pairs other than maybe QQ+?

i dont think he checks behind medium pairs. i think your assesment is right that he folds all non aces to the river bet. i might size the turn bet a little bigger and the river bet a bit smaller if you are going to do this. you say nit, but how nitty. i don't have too much of a problem with pf (leak?)

hes not going to check behind a midpair and then also call a turn bet with it when an ace comes...unless he's terrible at poker. anyway, basically im saying he has an ace a ton and he won't/should not fold it. i think this is pretty bad.

Don't like the 3-bet much against a nit, don't like calling either. His range is just gonna crush us so much and we're not gonna win enough postflop to make up for it (seems like if we get it in on the flop he's mostly gonna be a little ahead or flipping).

C-betting flop against this guy seems v bad unless we plan to fire a ton of barrels, turn seems fine to get him off of the KQs, QJs type hands he may have taken a free card on the flop with, once he calls turn he probably has something like AT-AQ (I'd assume he 4-bets AK pre most of the time?) so river looks bad.

If you think he'll check back 55-KK on the flop then peel turn then river is goot obv.

What kinda nit are we talking about here, some nits are just sooo weak/tight when it comes to being 3bet (they call with like TT+/AK) and if he's that type of nit then I think pf is ok.

However given the range I just gave him, betting the flop or river is a bad idea.

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Originally Posted by nutsinho

hes not going to check behind a midpair and then also call a turn bet with it when an ace comes...unless he's terrible at poker. anyway, basically im saying he has an ace a ton and he won't/should not fold it. i think this is pretty bad.

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Yeah this sucks. Once he calls the turn, most of his range is calling the river. This doesn't work anywhere near the percentage of time its supposed to to be plus ev.

i don t think it's nearly as bad as everyone's saying and I think I'd make it 100 if I bet the riv

I think this is terrible. Nits usually bet pairs on this flop i think. Might as well bet flop and shove A turn if u plan on bluffing a nit.

Combined with the fact he might even make hero calls with KK on river and NEVER fold an ace either, and these hands make up >80% of his range

he was like 5/5 over 30 hands so no substantial stats.

He called both bets and he showed QQ. So yeah lesson learned Thanks.