100NL, another QQ vs ep 3 bettor in bad position

3 bettor here is 32/1.82/3(kinda preflop loose passive stats) over 50 hands and another villain is unknown. In this hand, both my relative and absolute position are pretty bad. :( What's your plan preflop and postflop?
By the way, i didnt stack off in previous QQ hand vs that nit.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Hero ($99.50)
UTG ($113.15)
UTG+1 ($98)
MP1 ($66.90)
MP2 ($56.85)
MP3 ($100)
CO ($100.90)
Button ($56.85)
SB ($99)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $4, MP1 raises to $7, 5 folds, Hero ?

i call and hope utg calls too, shutdown with anything less than a set on flop

UTG raiser's range is probably AQ+, JJ+ (maybe TT+) and 3bettor with his stats is likely AK, KK+ (maybe QQ+)

Maybe I'm giving too much credit to utg, but I don't have stats on him.

I hope I'm not way off on my ranges this time.

Call, c/f almost all flops except sets obv, b/f turn if you're still in the pot and no A or K has come yet.

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Originally Posted by zxqv8

i call and hope utg calls too, shutdown with anything less than a set on flop

UTG raiser's range is probably AQ+, JJ+ (maybe TT+) and 3bettor with his stats is likely AK, KK+ (maybe QQ+)

Maybe I'm giving too much credit to utg, but I don't have stats on him.

I hope I'm not way off on my ranges this time.

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I would put 88+/AQ in UTGs range as an unknown. 3bettor I think with those stats it's pretty obv he has AK, KK+

I fold and never tell a soul.

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Originally Posted by Fnord

I fold and never tell a soul.

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considering our initial threat is the fish, how bad is putting another bet in the pot?

i really wanted to fold but i still tried :? My problem.
look this nasty flop vs this half stack.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Hero ($99.50)
UTG ($113.15)
UTG+1 ($98)
MP1 ($66.90)
MP2 ($56.85)
MP3 ($100)
CO ($100.90)
Button ($56.85)
SB ($99)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $4, MP1 raises to $7, 5 folds, Hero calls $6, UTG+1 calls $3.

Flop: ($21.50) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets $21, Hero ?

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Originally Posted by Fnord

I fold and never tell a soul.

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Originally Posted by pokerfan

i really wanted to fold but i still tried :? My problem.
look this nasty flop vs this half stack.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Hero ($99.50)
UTG ($113.15)
UTG+1 ($98)
MP1 ($66.90)
MP2 ($56.85)
MP3 ($100)
CO ($100.90)
Button ($56.85)
SB ($99)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $4, MP1 raises to $7, 5 folds, Hero calls $6, UTG+1 calls $3.

Flop: ($21.50) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets $21, Hero ?

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Are you still in doubt here? ;-)
FWIW, PF I would also call this min 3bet OOP from BB, but insta-folded on flop.

i was just set hunting in this hand considering that UTG1 might call with full stack. :P folding preflop is just way too weak. As Fnord said, i fold and never tell a soul ON THE FLOP.

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Originally Posted by jimmy44

Are you still in doubt here? ;-)
FWIW, PF I would also call this min 3bet OOP from BB, but insta-folded on flop.

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you don't have odds to set hunt vs. shorty and it makes no sense to call if you are folding on that flop. this is a fold or a shove preflop but definitely not a call.

UTG1(fullstack) definitely call minraise preflop. In my opinion, flat call is better than a fold or shove if we decide to set hunt and fold any non-Q flop.
$7 minraise means nothing to me if another fullstack got in.

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Originally Posted by martindcx1e

you don't have odds to set hunt vs. shorty and it makes no sense to call if you are folding on that flop. this is a fold or a shove preflop but definitely not a call.

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I think MP has AK and won't bet the flop enough that we can flatcall pre and check to him on the flop.