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Renton recorded a session of 400NL in two parts and submitted it recently to our Poker Video Library. Check out the videos, please be sure to rate them in your review and post further comments in this topic.
$400 NL 6-Max 2-Table with Renton 1
$400 NL 6-Max 2-Table with Renton 2
sweet
looking forward to it.
When were these videos recorded?
Some time in March, I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galapogos
i disagree w/ over 50% of the decisions made in this video, i wouldnt recommend anyone watch it for educational value.
sorry if im coming off as a dick but i have to speak my mind.
I'd take that as a compliment.
Haven't watched the vids yet though.
anything specific?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshall28
Make a video!Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshall28
Nutsinho should do a vid it'd be way better than this joker.
marshall you dont know shit about poker so who caresQuote:
Originally Posted by Marshall28
Seriously, if someone is takin the time to make a vid we shouldn't trash on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshall28
If you don't agree with certain hands, say which one's and why? That would definitely be more helpful to everyone here! Or certainly at least the major one's that you disagree with.
There were a lot of calls/raises/moves that I didn't agree with here. The biggest one I could think of was the "value" raise on the river against a donk on the K9Qxx board with AQ. I thought that was terrible.
i have made a video, ill make another.
i agree we shouldn't be trashing on anyone making videos, and i thought that i had posted that the effort was appreciated. i dont generally do it for free but i will since i think i screwed up and want to correct my mistake, so i'll go back through it and comment on the what i disagree w/ and why.
also i apologize to renton for my comments w/out providing reasoning.
you eat bugsQuote:
Originally Posted by gabe
constructive criticism appreciated
fwiw i didn't make the videos for the education of others but for my own.
1. not isolating UTG limper w/ ATo in BB after folded around to him.
2. T8o in BB i thoguht was played very well
3. Not 3betting nanonoko w/ ATo OTB when nano is in UTG+1 .. ."3betting for value means hes gonna be 4betting w/ worse hands" --- LOL SO 5BET ALL IN FOR VALUE IF THATS YOUR READ!!!!!!!!!
Nanonoko 24 tables... he doesnt have time to make good postflop decisions, attack attack attack him, renton dont be afraid lol, its not like hes good.
4. let 57o go after nanonoko opened .. ok obv not a mistake but my point is, attack this fool, come after him, dont let him run over the table.
5. flatting AQo to a 3bet oop ... really bad. if u "dont give his range much credit" THEN 4BET. now you say "maybe he has an AK" its like u keep changing your read during the hand, you have to make a plan and go with it man .. this hand was butchered really badly. if yo uare calling preflop, it means you are calling to slowplay/trap ... but then yuo decide to bet because you hit your nut flop. like u say "i have no idea what his range is" this is why you 4bet or fold preflop. this is the point i really stopped paying attention to a lot of the video because of the fact that it shows clearly you dont know why you're doing what you're doing. (let me make it clear that im not saying you dont know what youre doing, that isnt the case at all, i definitely think you are a winner at these games based on just awtching this w/out knowing anything about u and seeing 15 min of u play, but what im claiming here is very different).
6. good 3bet on nano w/ A4s.
7. u overestimate nano's opening range ... hes playing like 21/18, u say "i have to tighten up and play less hands since nano is at the table" ... this is 100% not true. u have the mindset that he is going to play table captain and that you are going to let him, instead u should take the lead and come after him a ton.
8. i like the 28s lead on the 74T flop but you have to plan on triple barrelling cuz he's gonna call 2 barrels w/ weak hands like bottom and middle pr. when u bet then u give up, thats a huge leak imo cuz u should expect at least 1 call majority of the time.
9. A6o no dont ever check the K92 board. you were pf aggressor, C-BET HES GONNA FOLD 70% OF THE TIME!!! good play.
10. u say u have trouble w/ playing oop and dont understand. basically it's pretty simple, you need to be betting and making larger bets in general the majority of the time. when you check, you give a smart player such a huge advantage. for example. say you check bottom pair after being the pf aggressor and i cold call u ip, then you check the flop to me. if i think you aren't a trappy player and an aggressive player. i know i can triple barrel you profitably 100% of the time w/ any 2 cards cuz u cant call unless u r ready to make a hero call, plus i might improve to the best hand anyways, so basically all you are doing is giving up when you check. u really need to use your pf aggression to your favor and plan on double barrelling a lot of good cards. your main mistake seems to be that you don't plan out your hands, you just play them for value, which i do think you do well.
11. A2o on Q33hh board, you led cuz u thoguht u had the best hand, u should expect the donk to call u w/ any 2, the turn card was a T. THISI S A GREAT SPOT TO DOUBLE BARREL!! KEEP BETTING, youve shown him twice now that you are willing to fire one barrel, but will give up if u miss, its clear to see that it would be extremely profitable to cold call and float you often.
12.KK in sb OMG you have to bet out at this A high flop because you said you cant know what his limp call means. you should know that it means HES WEAK. when you check call you give him the opportunity to take away the pot because YOU look weak. lead the flop and expect to get a fold often, or a call from a 2nd pr type hand or drawing hand that will now check behind turn and river fairly often. it gives you the opportunity to take down the pot much more often and not get bluffed off the worst hand. in position you seem to play pretty well, but oop your play is just so weak, i guess that was my main problem w/ the video and why i stopped watching half way through the 1st part.
if this wasnt enough analysis or if any disagree plz post comments.
also, just in general terms for the integrity of the forums, i think you need someone that is willing to get flamed for disagreeing w/ advice or what a "good" video might be. without it, you end up getting the reputation of just being the place where people can come to get positive feedback rather than reality based feedback. it's an important part of the community.
its the same reason as to why i like gabe : )
renton's a big boy, he can take criticism
and i wouldn't be so quick as to think marshall's bad at the game. he's not the best and has some peculiar or maybe just seeming inconsistent or even maybe just evolving ideas, but they're at least good enough to provide some measure of value. and thats totally standard. ive noticed more specifically over time how some of rentons ideas have changed, so its not like that doesn't happen
I thought it was fairly obvious Renton was posting as much for help/feedback as he was instructing. I've only really watched about 10 mins so far and he's already made that clear.
Heres the thing. Theres a big difference between "this sucks!", and "I disagree with a number of spots, here they are and heres how I think they should have been played" posts. The first one achieves nothing other than being a dick, the second disagrees with the advice in the video but has feedback for the poster/vid maker and helps with the education of the forum as a whole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshall28
If you'd combined your feedback post with your initial one, I doubt anyone would have had much of a go at you.
BJSAUST: i deserved what i got, and i acknowledged and apologized for my mistake, and fixed it. this isnt about me anyways, it's about the video, if you read my posts here you'd see i understand everything you're pointing out.
and on another note, i should be called out when i make claims like the one i did.
i didnt realize it wasnt instructional until renton posted that.
the thing about it is, the only times i post hands are when i really butcher them, so nobody sees any of the sick ones i play else itd look like im trying to brag or whatever. then everybody knwos about my tilt/spew problems so a lot of people jump to conclusions and assume i dont know anything about the game or what im doing .. .which is probably a big reason for a lot of the flames i get when i make posts that imply i think i do know a thing or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
I'm sure there's a proper place for technical problems, but I can't find it. So is it just me or does anyone else have problems with continual buffering (every 1 or 2 seconds) Anyway round this or do I have to just pause it for a few hours?
This happens on all the vids btw.
Thanks in advance
obviously ive recognized you have tilt issues, probably very serious ones, but its also possible that your understanding in some basic areas is kinda unstable and you apply variations for seemingly good (but actually not good) reasons from time to time. of course i find my understanding to be unstable in many ways i cannot see nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Marshall28
one example is when you limped the btn because you could out play them post yet that point in the tourney was not at all time to limp the btn. struck me as kinda just an idea you got that sounded good and that it went against standard didn't really matter much.
I don't care much for either table he's playing in the first video. The table action has position on him. If I was 4 tabling, both tables would be a canidate to leave.
edit1: Also, I hated the Q9o open fold from the SB against a donk. You have good high card strength and he sucks at poker. You should see a flop here at least.
edit2: TAKE THE OPEN SEAT ON TABLE 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nit with position, donk 2 seats to your right. Like ZOMG!
edit3: Bet a lot when checked to on the button.
edit4: You're getting crap for action because your openers keep the donks out of the pots and the other seats are nits. Then again, that can be ok if you feel like playing small pot poker for a couple hours...
edit5: Q9o > 36s against loose/horrible players.
edit6: I check/cal the AJ hand all the way. I don't think he's ever checked behind HU. Against players that make lots of small bets like that, be happy and showdown goodish hands.
edit7: A7o unraised pot top pair I like a check here because the button will auto-bet.
edit 8: AJs I 3-bet the flop. No way I put him on a strong hand. He might be tight, but he's also fairly aware and certainly defends the blinds with more than just pairs? You have fold equity here.
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Originally Posted by Marshall28
thanks for ur help btw
The AQ river value raise against the fish in video 2 was horrible. I found it interesting that while you were doing it and talking out loud to yourself you couldn't really come up with any worse hands he could call you with. Thanks for sharing btw.
I still think his worst play was not taking a seat change...
I only watched part 1 so far, my initial thought is you really didnt adjust to the donk to your left on the 2nd table. Forget his name, had numbers, playing like 60% of hands. Floated like 90% of c-bets OOP and then lead turn and you folded every single time. The time you took a stand was the time he lead flop instead of checking to you which is like a big sign screaming "Hey, heres a read for you!".
i wanted 90 straight minutes of reads on the same players and gameflow. normally i'm pretty meticulous about tables/seats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
that said these tables were definitely above average imo
i'm surprised at how much hate the AQ hand is getting. He definitely DEFINITELY calls with worse hands.
That said the raise is still to thin, but imo its far from "terrible."
seriously stop saying the AQ hand is retarded. his raise size was too big but not raising is leaving money on the table FOR SURE.
I totally agree with nutsinho excellent point. Marshall is the worst ever: he's even worse than the spice girls. Nutsinho can you teach me everything you know in return for being your loyal fan?
PS. the guys range in the AQ hand probably doesn't include jokers in the hole - so raising less is fine.
carroters is definitely my new favorite poster.
Checking behind with AK on the river is leaving money on the table at times that doesn't make it right to bet it imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by nutsinho
do you understand the concepts of ranges and evQuote:
Originally Posted by hsifeguh
i really wanted to discuss this w/ u in aim cuz i thought it would really help your game but i guess u didnt seem to think so, but i really feel strongly about it so i'll take the time and post it here....Quote:
Originally Posted by Renton
i definitely saw that it was a min3bet, but before u make a decision to call fold or raise, u have to think, what types of hands is he doing this with? is my hand best? if u dont know the answer to these questions youll never know what to do post flop, which is why you were so confused. here, you opted to call because you didn't know how wide/narrow his range was. this is the exact opposite of what u should do. here's why: if u call, you are calling in order to hit a tptk type hand, this will happen a little less than 1/3rd the time (for the times kqx flop). so on the flop you are pretty much going to be forced to check fold, so you are calling off this 3bet oop and basically having to give up the pot 2/3 of the time, that's a wasted 8 or 10$ , something like that. now ok lets look at the scenario when u hit tptk. you didn't 4bet him so you dont know if his mini3bet meant that he had a monster or some random 2 cards, you can be behind KK very easily when hitting a Q and behind AK very easily when hitting an A. In these situations you are going to lose A LOT of money because you didnt make the determination preflop whether or not your hand was good. being oop makes this doubly worse. if you dont find out where you are at you cant play your hand profitably on and after the flop.
now, if you had called, just saying screw it, i think i have the best hand and im blowing him off all worse hands if i 4bet him, so if i hit top pair im gonna stack it, thats fine, however, risky and high variance.
my whole point is, basically, that folding is by far the best option because AQ plays very poorly out of position in 3 and 4bet pots when we dont know the range with which villain is making his play. if we know his range, then we can make a much better determination, but if you don't know, you get to the flop, hit top pair, then its like .. "ok i ahve top pair now im gonna bet" ... but what are you getting value from? what if you get raised? misunderstanding this key concept will cost u a ton of money in the long run, i hope my point is understood.
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Originally Posted by Renton
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Hit submit by accident after deciding against arguing with a better player about a marginal spot. I still think even a bad player finds a fold for QJ in that spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by hsifeguh
renton i really like your play, i have been having a good amount of succes in the MTT's but i am trying to transfer over to cash games prob starting small around .10/.25 or .25/.50 before play some mid stake games. I would like someone to mentour me a little bit while i start play at low limit games. I watched your videos and like your play and reads. please get back to me. thanks man