Fold? Shove?

POKERSTARS GAME #16584772660: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.05/$0.10) - 2008/04/08 - 17:03:43 (ET)
Table 'Zimmerwald' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: carouan ($14.85 in chips)
Seat 2: DenverDiva1 ($6 in chips)
Seat 3: Pokerlullu ($3.80 in chips)
Seat 4: JonnyFull ($22.90 in chips)
Seat 5: jm_mathurin ($7.55 in chips)
Seat 6: Polish.H06 ($27.90 in chips)
carouan: posts small blind $0.05
DenverDiva1: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JonnyFull [6d 6h]
Pokerlullu: folds
JonnyFull: raises $0.30 to $0.40
jm_mathurin: calls $0.40
Polish.H06: folds
carouan: folds
DenverDiva1: calls $0.30
*** FLOP *** [4d 2c 5d]
DenverDiva1: checks
JonnyFull: bets $1
jm_mathurin: raises $2 to $3
DenverDiva1: folds
JonnyFull: raises $19.50 to $22.50 and is all-in
jm_mathurin: calls $4.15 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [4d 2c 5d] [Js]
*** RIVER *** [4d 2c 5d Js] [Ad]


Do i shove this or is that just dumb of me? I have the over pair and a gut. Is this enough justification?

Put it in the butt? LAWL.

On a serious note, I don't like raising 66 UTG+1. Without any kind of read on your opponents, I'd probably c/f the flop. As played, I would fold to the raise.

Maybe I'm weak-tight, but this is 10nl. You can find better spots than this. You have little fold equity, and you're not beating many hands that will call.

I play 10NL 6max and raise any pocket pair from any position if I'm first to act so id say preflop is fine. As played fold flop though - like previous poster said, nothing you beat here is calling you I dont think.

preflop is super standard here. lol at limping 66. if villain was sitting on a slightly shorter stack (like 50bb) or hes a total drooler then i'd gamble it up here, but youre not beating much. probly a fold.

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Originally Posted by grnydrowave2

On a serious note, I don't like raising 66 UTG+1. Without any kind of read on your opponents, I'd probably c/f the flop. As played, I would fold to the raise.

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wat? why on earth would you c/f flop?

lol, somebody else laughed at me on AIM for limping small pocket pairs in EP. I just hate getting 3-bet with them. Maybe I need to rethink that.

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Originally Posted by will641

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Originally Posted by grnydrowave2

On a serious note, I don't like raising 66 UTG+1. Without any kind of read on your opponents, I'd probably c/f the flop. As played, I would fold to the raise.

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wat? why on earth would you c/f flop?

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Because I just have a gutshot? Because I don't like c-betting OOP against unknowns at 10nl? Because I can't put villain on a range, I don't know my implieds, and there's only 3 cards in the deck I'm happy to see next street?

Like I said before, maybe I'm weaktight, but if I don't make my set then I'm through with the hand.

EDIT: I changed my mind.

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Originally Posted by grnydrowave2

lol, somebody else laughed at me on AIM for limping small pocket pairs in EP. I just hate getting 3-bet with them. Maybe I need to rethink that.

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Originally Posted by will641

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Originally Posted by grnydrowave2

On a serious note, I don't like raising 66 UTG+1. Without any kind of read on your opponents, I'd probably c/f the flop. As played, I would fold to the raise.

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wat? why on earth would you c/f flop?

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Because I just have a gutshot? Because I don't like c-betting OOP against unknowns at 10nl? Because I can't put villain on a range, I don't know my implieds, and there's only 3 cards in the deck I'm happy to see next street?

Like I said before, maybe I'm weaktight, but if I don't make my set then I'm through with the hand.

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We have an overpair and a gutshot. What am I missing here?

FWIW I raise 66 UTG in 10-max games, so LOL at limping anywhere in 6max.

ya grnydro stop open limping 66 in 6max man.

stop open limping any pp in any position. if you get 3bet, which i cant imagine is THAT often if your playing mircros, then adjust. call when you have odds or just fold. not that big of a deal really.

Getting 3-bet with small pairs is super +EV if you call when you have implied odds, because your opponent is significantly more likely to felt than if they had put in the first raise. If you are getting 3-bet a lot, you should just 1. try not to make your initial raise very big (so the 3-bet shouldn't be too much to call) and 2. always have a full stack - and hopefully the 3-bets are coming from people with full stacks as well, so it will be profitable to call them.

If you're really getting 3-bet relentlessly though, limping isn't bad. You should be trapping more in those games anyway.

I think it's pretty marginal for whatever he plans to do after the raise on the flop but is it a leak that I want to b/f the flop?

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Originally Posted by grnydrowave2

lol, somebody else laughed at me on AIM for limping small pocket pairs in EP. I just hate getting 3-bet with them. Maybe I need to rethink that.

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Originally Posted by will641

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Originally Posted by grnydrowave2

On a serious note, I don't like raising 66 UTG+1. Without any kind of read on your opponents, I'd probably c/f the flop. As played, I would fold to the raise.

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wat? why on earth would you c/f flop?

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Because I just have a gutshot? Because I don't like c-betting OOP against unknowns at 10nl? Because I can't put villain on a range, I don't know my implieds, and there's only 3 cards in the deck I'm happy to see next street?

Like I said before, maybe I'm weaktight, but if I don't make my set then I'm through with the hand.

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dude, we have an over pair first of all, and were definitely ahead of his range. second, a gut shot is 4 outs and a set is 2, giving us a total of 6 outs if were behind.

and from the sound of it, you seem content with being weak-tight, and you really shouldnt. its a terrible way of playing.

Ok, yeah I now agree that it's a shove. B/S > B/F >>> C/F

Well if you just call, there is only a 2/3 PSB left anyways. So if we think we can fold out 77-TT(probably not) or if we will get called by a lot of Axs, 33, and some other random stuff(probably?) then shoving seems pretty decent. Otherwise b/f .

I think his raising range is basically is push calling range which is really helpful if we have reads but since it's a short at 10nl I think it can be semi-wide here and we have more than enough equity.

I'd play it same

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Originally Posted by will641

dude, we have an over pair first of all, and were definitely ahead of his range.

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What's his range?

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Originally Posted by grnydrowave2

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dude, we have an over pair first of all, and were definitely ahead of his range.

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What's his range?

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Mainly two overs and a flush draw or Ace X with a worse gut shot. We are flipping against the the flush draw and pretty good distance ahead of the Ace X. Of course you can't really take Ace 3 out of their range unless you have reads that he has a tight preflop calling range.

I'm don't think you are making too big of a mistake either way you go here.

I think that this guys range here is very wide Including and pair w oesd. Tptk, a couple of diamonds and the such.

I dont think his range is beating me here. Maybe i am not that far ahead of it but..... this is 10nl

whoa can t believe i didn't notice this thread

hasn't anybody played these stakes when they're rly drunk/high late at night?

-villain isn't full-stacked

-we have overpair

-we have outs even if he has a set or overpair (yay 25% equity!)

-we have a diamond blocker if he has a FD

-ppl with less than 100bb's, even moreso than the "regs" (lol?) playing these stakes, can often play this way with any piece of the board, a "slowplayed" AK, Ax.....

you played it well, nice hand.

That's an awesome avatar...