too thin vs. fish?

i doubt he has a K, but i think it would be retarded to bet and not shove cause he has like 3/5 pb left on river. i cant remember stats cause poker ace is crapping out these days for me on 1 table, and just happened to be this table, but i know hes a fish, and to my memory, not a particularly aggro one. so im just not sure he calls with worse here, cause the board is so drawy, and some draws got completed.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO ($417.95)
Button ($586.25)
SB ($631.30)
Hero ($607.25)
UTG ($400)
MP ($279.35)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif.
1 fold, MP calls $4, 3 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: ($10) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $8, MP raises to $16, Hero raises to $48, MP calls $32.

Turn: ($106) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $80, MP calls $80.

River: ($266) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $172, MP has about $150 left.

Yeah i would say this is fine. If he has the flush i think its a cooler cause his range is much wider than a flush draw. If he had more behind on the river obviously we play this differently.

If you had better reads on the fish i think a c/c could be a lot better cause a lot of them will just bluff shove any piece on the river cause they assume you doubled with air.

i dont really like it.

what are we beating on the turn that gives us two more streets of value?

so I don't know what kind of fish this is so imo his range is pretty wide.

If will gives me some stats or some reads i could tighten it up a bit.

But really a fish can have so much random crap here I don't think this is horrible.

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9,636 games 0.005 secs 1,927,200 games/sec

Board: Ts 3s 4h Ks
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 65.266% 65.17% 00.09% 6280 9.00 { Th4d }
Hand 1: 34.734% 34.64% 00.09% 3338 9.00 { TT+, 44-33, As9s, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s, A4s-A2s, K6s+, K4s-K3s, QsJs, QTs, Qs9s, JTs, Js9s, Js8s, T6s+, T3s, 9s8s, 8s7s, 7s6s, 65s, ATo, A4o-A2o, K8o+, K4o-K3o, QTo, JTo, T7o+, T3o, 65o }

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

what are we beating on the turn that gives us two more streets of value?

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well i surely cant give him a free card, so i dont really know what else to do.

check/call sucks against players like him, so check/fold and shove are the only two lines I would consider here.

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Originally Posted by will641

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

what are we beating on the turn that gives us two more streets of value?

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well i surely cant give him a free card, so i dont really know what else to do.

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bet turn smaller?

thats really the only solution i find for the hand. Ks is so terrible for us because it either kills our equity or our action. he'll likely call down with stuff like 33 or even a small flush now instead of raising, and if we get it all in i really dont see him showing up with anything other than 43 that we beat that often.

i honestly dont like any line that stacks once that turn hits, and i think we can optimize vs his range if we half pot the next two streets or something.

actually 3betting flop huge may be best.

I don't know...... but doggystlye

okay here are some stats fwiw. 63/9/1.6

I think it's too thin. He might pay you off with 33/44, but that's a tiny part of his range. And because he's passive I think you can safely c/f the river.

c/f river and i also feel you bet the turn too hard.