Who likes this?

comments on anything are fine but my the main point is the river. Original raiser is like 26/13/2 and the other is like 20/15/2. Don't have pertinent reads besides stats, didn't feel from timing that the original raiser ever was slowplaying.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (6 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($624)
UTG ($615.65)
MP ($618)
CO ($600)
Button ($180.40)
SB ($1346.55)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif.
1 fold, MP raises to $21, CO calls $21, 1 fold, SB calls $18, Hero calls $15.

Flop: ($84) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks, CO bets $60, SB folds, Hero calls $60, MP calls $60.

Turn: ($264) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, CO checks.

River: ($264) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (3 players)
[color=#CC3333]Hero bets $543 (All-In)

lol for some reason when i read the hh i thought you made the straight so i was about to type i dont like because if i was the villains i would put you on a really strong hand and almost never bluffing and they rarely have something that can call. so, now that i see you missed i think i like this.

I actually like this. It's a pretty big overbet, but I think you will easily take it down over 1/3 of the time which is needed. You could have slowplayed the flop and missed a c/r on the turn.

At first I didn't like it because your range is pretty weak and it's hard to see what you are representing, but it doesn't look like a common spot to bluff either. It's also pretty hard for MP to make a hero call when CO is still behind and CO usually has very little here.

My only concern is that villains seem so weak that they might not understand why you are trying so hard to get them to fold. I think a smaller overbet should show slightly more profit against most opponents.

Sometimes ya just got to dare em to call right?

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Originally Posted by pocketfours

I actually like this. It's a pretty big overbet, but I think you will easily take it down over 1/3 of the time which is needed.

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Don't u mean 2/3?


No comment for the river. Its probably plus ev but i doubt i ever would try this. It needs to work a ton of the time and it represents pretty much no hand.

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Originally Posted by Renton

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Originally Posted by pocketfours

I actually like this. It's a pretty big overbet, but I think you will easily take it down over 1/3 of the time which is needed.

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Don't u mean 2/3?


No comment for the river. Its probably plus ev but i doubt i ever would try this. It needs to work a ton of the time and it represents pretty much no hand.

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Oops, meant to write that they need to call less than 1/3 of the time. I like it because of the experimental nature of the play. I wouldn't do it either, mostly because I hate variance. I might shove here with AJ sometimes myself though.

I like it. It is probably neutral EV though because it is an overbet. I know I would fold a lot vs. this bet.

I think this is a good spot to bluff, given the action there's likely nothing better than 10x out there - it looks like one has a weak made hand and the other some sort of draw. Anyway I'm wondering whether a 1/2-2/3 pot bet would be better?

assuming you bet $50 on the river you would get called maybe 80% of the time by some marginal hand?

$150 - what would the % be?

$300 and so on....The thing is finding the perfect size for a bluff in this situation.

Maybe i'm wrong here - I'm not to good on the maths side but say you bet pot $264 as opposed to $543, you would need the $543 to work twice as often as the $264 to make it the same EV? Now, I'm thinking that since they are probably don't have much and are folding a large % of the time anyway that you aren't going to get them to fold twice as much with the overbet?

just lead flop ur hand is so huge

oh and i hate river

I don't like it.

I like it. It is probably neutral EV though because it is an overbet. I know I would fold a lot vs. this bet.

i don't know, but DOGGYSTYLE............