QQ, faced with donk bet.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($21.35)
UTG ($9.85)
MP ($9.80)
Hero ($10.65)
Button ($13.95)
SB ($11.85)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif.
UTG raises to $0.35, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.4, 2 folds, BB calls $1.30, UTG folds.

Flop: ($3.20) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
BB bets $3.2, Hero ...

This donk bet pings me off. The guy is 40/5/1 roundabouts, i've been here for only 2 0rbits, but havent seen him call a 3 bet. I dont know if he's silly enough to lead into a 3 bet pot without a hand. Is this an easy shove, or am i way off.?

I'm not folding. My usual line is to shove, but others have put some doubt in my head about that. Certainly a call.

This is often a pair <TT or Tx at these stakes.
I like calling ip, because it gives villain a hard time and he's likely to make more mistakes then.

... prays villain puts him on AK when he shoves and calls him with 77

id shove, doubt hes folding a pair after potting

you have the nuts

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Originally Posted by thizzSantaCruz

you have the nuts

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Shoving looks weaker than calling; you don't have much left.

If he has KK/AA then its just a cooler, but reason u have to shove here is that u dont want scare cards to come and u wanna stack his midpair hands now on flop

I'm worrying more about how to get the most value from this guy than if I'm beat. In my experience this is a weak pair or flush draw that doesn't know what to do very often. I think I shove in this spot and expect to get called pretty light. On a dry board I like a call to let him continue bluffing.

yeah shoving is by for the best way to get value here because so many turns are gonna scare him off if you smooth call. If he has you beat thats a cooler and your losing your stack. Focus on getting value.

Points taken, thx

The BB just called 14x the BB. What makes you think he would have a Tx? I'm thinking a raise was coming, but since hero beat him to the punch, he called. Post flop, his Kings or Aces are good so he bets out. He doesn't appear to be afraid of anything. I would lean heavily toward folding and picking a better spot.

I'm putting him on Aces, Kings, twos or tens. :shock:

get it in with a 40/5/1 every time. so what if he has a 5 or 1010. hang in there and keep pounding, he will make plenty of mistakes. He can easily overplay a FD, JJ, A10, any number of hands also. Key is with someone spewing so much money you want to get in as much money as soon as possible with someone this bad. They can't luckbox every flop and will call you down more than they should.

if he has AA/KK oh well. some hands you are destined to lose money. don't dwell, move on. Against a much tighter player you would have to play this totally differently.

minsim, you should never call QQ, KK, AA. These should always be threebet. I think more likely than value, you get frustrated by what spots QQ can put you in and shy away from big pots. Maybe I am wrong, but you have to bite the bullet

Thanks guys. Great advice.
Really appreciate the time and effort u guy's put into ur posts, to help noobs like me learn this game. Keep it up :wink:

I'm missing something. Please explain the 40/5/1. :?:

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Originally Posted by TheSyphon

I'm missing something. Please explain the 40/5/1. :?:

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He calls voluntarily plays 40% of hands he's dealt preflop, and raises 5% of hands he's dealt. The 1 is his aggression factor, that one's tougher to break down how it works, it's not super useful unless you have tons of hands on a guy.

Thanks. I can't imagine seeing 40% of flops. WOW! That changes a lot. I'm still concerned about the re-raise, but leaning toward this player trying to bully. And then, bully's get pocket 10s and Aces too. Hmmmmmm . . .

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Originally Posted by TheSyphon

Thanks. I can't imagine seeing 40% of flops. WOW! That changes a lot. I'm still concerned about the re-raise, but leaning toward this player trying to bully. And then, bully's get pocket 10s and Aces too. Hmmmmmm . . .

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We made the reraise in this hand though. And a 40VPIP doesn't change his calling range much to reraises. He still has wayyyyyyyyy more hands we beat than that beat us.

So you are calling, based solely on the 40?
I guess it would be usefull to know how often and how much this guy re-raised. QQ is a great hand, probably 3rd best pre-flop, but it's beatable here.

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Originally Posted by TheSyphon

So you are calling, based solely on the 40?
I guess it would be usefull to know how often and how much this guy re-raised. QQ is a great hand, probably 3rd best pre-flop, but it's the nuts here.

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qft

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Originally Posted by TheSyphon

Thanks. I can't imagine seeing 40% of flops. WOW! That changes a lot. I'm still concerned about the re-raise, but leaning toward this player trying to bully. And then, bully's get pocket 10s and Aces too. Hmmmmmm . . .

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lol 40/5/1 is not a bully.

thats true he could have have quad 10s, i forgot about that, easy fold imo.

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Originally Posted by TheSyphon

So you are calling, based solely on the 40?
I guess it would be usefull to know how often and how much this guy re-raised. QQ is a great hand, probably 3rd best pre-flop, but it's beatable here.

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No, but it's a huge factor. There's also the fact that his stats indicate he is a fundamentally bad player, this is a hard board to nut up on, it's a board he'll have a hard time believing we have anything on, there's a draw opening up possibilities of more hands that will take interest on the flop, bad players love bluffing paired boards, etc etc.

You take this and many other things into consideration when deciding what range of hands he can do this with. And QQ is a fucking monster when up against that range.