25nl - bluff or value?

Villain is 69/46/4.7. No reads.

$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
9 players

Stacks:
UTG $18.15
Villain $13.15
MP1 $4.65
MP2 $26.65
MP3 $23.35
CO $43.40
Hero $28.90
SB $24.75
BB $17.65

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 9 players) Hero is BTN :th: :tc:
1 fold, Villain calls $0.25, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, Villain raises to $2.75, MP3 folds, Hero calls $1.25

Flop: :8c: :5s: :8s: ($6.10, 2 players)
Villain bets $0.75, Hero shoves.

1) What is villain's calling range?

2) Is our shove a value bet or a bluff?

3) Suppose we take the following line instead:

Flop: :8c: :5s: :8s: ($6.10, 2 players)
Villain bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75

Turn: :7h: ($7.60, 2 players)
Villain bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75

River: :ah: ($9.10, 2 players)
Villain bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

Is this better or worse? Please state your reasoning, or suggest an alternative play if you are so inclined. I'm aware that preflop may be questionable, but I'm more interested in postflop.

Thanks.

Why not raise smaller on the flop and entice him to call? Your hand's not a bluff when you do this but you do a good job of enticing him not to call you.

I also 4-bet pre against him. I know you don't care about pre but it sets you up for one hell of an easy post flop.

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Originally Posted by Galapogos

Why not raise smaller on the flop and entice him to call? Your hand's not a bluff when you do this but you do a good job of enticing him not to call you.

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That sounds like a contradictory statement. At any rate, if you do this, what part of his range is he not folding?

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Originally Posted by grnydrowave2

At any rate, if you do this, what part of his range is he not folding?

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Originally Posted by grnydrowave2

Villain is 69/46/4.7

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Villain is not folding a ton of hands here:
Any pair, FDs etc...
If he's the type of 64/46 that I am used to, then he is also calling here with gutshots, any Ace, and sometimes two over cards like KQ if he's super donkish postflop.

Man against this guy shoving preflop is never bad here

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Originally Posted by grnydrowave2

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Originally Posted by Galapogos

Why not raise smaller on the flop and entice him to call? Your hand's not a bluff when you do this but you do a good job of enticing him not to call you.

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That sounds like a contradictory statement. At any rate, if you do this, what part of his range is he not folding?

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Sorry, I meant your push convinces him not to call, not the small bet. And I used the word entice too much.

full ring forum? def raise the flop to like $5.

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Originally Posted by bode

full ring forum? def raise the flop to like $5.

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Oops, sorry. I'm used to posting in this forum, as I don't play full ring.

You really need reads to do this for value. Some kind of reads that he'd stack off with overs or something like that.

Otherwise, I think I'd much prefer the call down line or some kind of donkish small raise on the flop to induce him to shove over with worse over cards like AK/all draws etc etc.

As played, even a donk might find a fold with overcards facing a shove here.

preflop is key, im allin vs him. hate the call.

For the sake of argument, let's pretend that the call preflop was a misclick.

does anyone care that it's an UTG+1, limp/re-raise?

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Originally Posted by swiggidy

does anyone care that it's an UTG+1, limp/re-raise?

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well theres no may that villian is positionally aware so no.

so what % of time does a villain with these stats limp/re-raise with a big hand?

Also, wouldn't someone with these stats bet bigger on the flop and/or turn if he wanted us to fold?

Villains a moron, likely this is a small pair.

i think jamming pre is more ideal here, because more often than not an over card hits the flop and makes life difficult on us. and this guy will probably call like 44+, Ax, 98+, etc.

as played though i raise to like $5.5 and get it in on any turn.