$25NL - JJ facing Aggression pre-flop

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07-01-2008, 08:52 PM
GatorJH

$25NL - JJ facing Aggression pre-flop

BB was 55/27/10, but only through 11 hands. Based on limited stats for villain and the fact that the button (who was 46/8/2 thru 40 hands) is still left to act, do you flat call, fold or 4bet/push here?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($25)
UTG ($8)
Hero ($54.60)
MP1 ($6.65)
MP2 ($26)
MP3 ($8.05)
CO ($11.30)
Button ($26)
SB ($22.45)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif.
UTG calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.25, 4 folds, Button calls $1.25, 1 fold, BB raises to $3.25, UTG calls $3, Hero ????
07-01-2008, 08:55 PM
Deanglow

I would take a flop
07-01-2008, 11:20 PM
givememyleg

they're both half stacks so i re-raise hoping to get it in preflop
07-01-2008, 11:21 PM
givememyleg

god nvm i'm fish it's 25nl - i would call
07-02-2008, 02:23 AM
kmind

UTG seems terrible and BB seems so loose preflop I don't see why we shouldn't 4bet/call.
07-02-2008, 07:09 AM
badgers

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmind

UTG seems terrible and BB seems so loose preflop I don't see why we shouldn't 4bet/call.

I think it's close but we only have 11 hands on the BB who we are most likely to get it in with and he is 3betting an UTG+1 raise so I think it's better to just flat.
07-02-2008, 07:12 AM
Fnord

BB is making a bet sizing mistake with a big hand here quite often unless he's one of those guys who makes small re-raises with like 77+/KQ+. Since you don't know, I'd call and play it carefully.
07-02-2008, 08:42 AM
bjsaust

Its just kinda hard to tell if he's deliberately 3-betting small for a reason, or if he just doesnt even realise he's 3-betting small.
07-02-2008, 11:42 AM
GatorJH

Quote:

Originally Posted by badgers

I think it's close but we only have 11 hands on the BB who we are most likely to get it in with and he is 3betting an UTG+1 raise so I think it's better to just flat.

This is what I was thinking and coupled with the fact that I was in good position I decided to flat call and play post flop.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($25)
UTG ($8)
Hero ($54.60)
MP1 ($6.65)
MP2 ($26)
MP3 ($8.05)
CO ($11.30)
Button ($26)
SB ($22.45)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif.
UTG calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.25, 4 folds, Button calls $1.25, 1 fold, BB raises to $3.25, UTG calls $3, Hero calls $2, Button calls $2.

Flop: ($13.10) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (4 players)
BB bets $5, UTG calls $4.75 (All-In), Hero (happily folds??)
07-02-2008, 12:12 PM
Fnord

Twice on Sunday.
07-02-2008, 02:11 PM
jimmy44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Twice on Sunday.

Lol!!

Even if you had KK (suppose you had called the 3bet which is not a good play) you have to fold here.
07-03-2008, 02:55 PM
GatorJH

I did fold.

BB had AQo and UTG had Q8o for the double :shock: :shock:
07-07-2008, 05:10 AM
daven

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorJH

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif.
UTG calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.25, 4 folds, Button calls $1.25, 1 fold, BB raises to $3.25, UTG calls $3, Hero calls $2, Button calls $2.

Flop: ($13.10) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (4 players)
BB bets $5, UTG calls $4.75 (All-In), Hero (happily folds??)

looks perfect. Also, ignore stats over 11 hands