KoJack off OOP vs guy who wants to give me his monies

Opponent just sat down, been spewing off his money, playing nearly every hand and berated a multi-tabler for being too slow.

Has been seen taking some really really terrible lines.

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
PokerStars
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($225.50)
UTG+1 ($206.05)
CO ($257.00)
BTN ($138.30)
Hero ($220.70)
BB ($221.75)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is SB :jd: :kh:
3 folds, BTN raises to $8, Hero calls $7, 1 fold

Flop: :qs: :kd: :tc: ($18, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $20, Hero calls $20

Turn: :7h: ($58, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $10, Hero raises to $40, BTN calls $30

River: :3s: ($138, 2 players)
Hero ??? $78 behind

My thoughts:
Pre-flop: EZ call and if you think otherwise you should tear up your pre-flop chart and eat it.
Flop: Meh, he seems to be gas gas gas and I'm not folding here.
Turn: Value-town.
River: Really at a loss. Bet like $40 more for value and hate life if he shoves? Shove? Check?

I dunno -- river really depends how much of a spewmonkey he is vs how much of a station he is, no?

If he errs on the side of spewmonkey, c/c, else b/f (and hate life).

I guess I err on the side of b/f cause his turn bet suggests that he might not give the value you're looking for if he's weak, so you might have to 1/3rd pot it yerself, since c/ring a weak bet would make me feel dirty.

B/f is a fucking crazy river line with a $140 pot and just $80 behind. How much can you even bet without becoming immediately pot committed to any raise he makes, especially knowing that he is spew-prone? Personally I like a $40 value bet and a crying call if he shoves over. I think he calls the original bet with a lot of worse hands, and shoves with enough crap (and because he got a case of the fuckits) that you have to look him up for those pot odds.

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Originally Posted by dalecooper

B/f is a fucking crazy river line with a $140 pot and just $80 behind. How much can you even bet without becoming immediately pot committed to any raise he makes, especially knowing that he is spew-prone? Personally I like a $40 value bet and a crying call if he shoves over. I think he calls the original bet with a lot of worse hands, and shoves with enough crap (and because he got a case of the fuckits) that you have to look him up for those pot odds.

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I misread the river pot size. You're right -- we're commited by any reasonably sized bet.

Not really sure what the river changes, I like the tickler bet, then call push. If he has two pair/AJ/set then puke later, after he spews a stack back to you.

strange that if your not planning on shoving this river then why c/r turn?

I like a river shove followed closely by c/c. His range includes a ton of worse hands (QJ/JT/Kx/AQ/AT) and I doubt he can fold them. If you think he gets there with even worse (A-high?) or is bad enough to turn decent hands into a bluff then c/c might be better.

raise the flop and get it in on any turn?

weird hand. i think i like c/c the river better than shoving yourslef

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Originally Posted by Massimo

weird hand. i think i like c/c the river better than shoving yourslef

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I think I like shoving the most. He checks behind way too many hands that will feel committed to calling the shove. He can't think he has much FE with little over a 1/2 pot bet even if he is a spewtard.

Actually, if we're not shoving, I prefer c/f as my next option. Unless of course, I'm misunderstanding just how spewy this guy is.

i think its close between shoving and c/cing. kind of depends on what you think he will do more bluff or call down really light.

Shoving

why is it OK to call PF with KJ0? even though our opponent is terrible we really can't expect that much from this hand OOP.

as played, i vote for shove.

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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi

why is it OK to call PF with KJ0?

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Because it's ahead of his range and he'll hang himself on a lot of flops that hit our hand.

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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi

even though our opponent is terrible we really can't expect that much from this hand OOP.

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huh? are you voting for shoving as a bluff here then?

no bet/folding plz. Id probably C/r raise flop and get it in ...he'l call you with worse. But as played..shove the river.

I would tend to just shove the river, its less than 2/3 pot. If "spewing off his money" means any kind of CS tendencies this is good isnt it?

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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi

why is it OK to call PF with KJ0?

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Because it's ahead of his range and he'll hang himself on a lot of flops that hit our hand.

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what range do u you him on? i just stoved it, and any PFR of 20% or more is pretty much 50/50 in equity, so i don't think it's that big of a difference. what matters is how we extract value post-flop from this guy who is expected to spew, and i don't think we can do that too often out of position. we get into situations like this hand where we try to take them to value town but get into a pickle when they call us down to the river.

ah well, maybe i'm just a nit cuz i avoid any confrontations with maniacs because i don't like situations like what hero has...so i tend to be extremely passive in the blinds.

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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi

even though our opponent is terrible we really can't expect that much from this hand OOP.

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huh? are you voting for shoving as a bluff here then?

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i was still referring to preflop.

Right or wrong, I'm much more Fnord-ish vs. maniacs. I will call even OOP with two big cards, and try to get to showdown with top or second pair every time. Very often they'll throw a lot of chips your way with air (if you don't blow them off the pot), any pocket pair (maniacs have a weird fixation on these hands), and a lot of worse pairs to the board or pair/worse kicker. Your equity might be even pre-flop, but your better sense of hand value greatly increases the hand's profitability post-flop.

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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi

what range do u you him on?

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I open ~35% when folded to me on the button, so I assume this guy opens that much or more. But surprisingly, when I stove KJo vs. top 35%, it's about 50/50. Surprising, but good to know!

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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi

what matters is how we extract value post-flop from this guy who is expected to spew, and i don't think we can do that too often out of position. we get into situations like this hand where we try to take them to value town but get into a pickle when they call us down to the river.

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I still disagree with this. Villains that bet too much are the perfect ones to call with high cards, in or out of position. They'll cbet air, they'll valuebet worse kings and jacks... sure you'll get taken to valuetown once in a blue moon by AK or KQ, but you'll rarely get stacked and those are such a small part of his betting range.

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Originally Posted by zook

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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi

even though our opponent is terrible we really can't expect that much from this hand OOP.

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huh? are you voting for shoving as a bluff here then?

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i was still referring to preflop.

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What I meant was that this hand is an example of getting a lot from this hand oop! We have a medium strength one pair hand, yet you still recommend shoving for value against this guy. It's a perfect example of why calling from the blinds is a good idea!

hahah, i get it :P
i say shove, but it should be more like cry & shove.