Best way to extract value

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07-08-2008, 12:38 PM
freechus9

Best way to extract value

2nd hand at table so no reads on anyone.

What's my line?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP ($60.65)
Button ($50.75)
Hero ($50.25)
BB ($43.40)
UTG ($69.40)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif.
1 fold, MP calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.5, 1 fold, MP calls $2.

Flop: ($5.75) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $5, MP calls $5.

Turn: ($15.75) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
07-08-2008, 12:57 PM
Vi-Zer0Skill

i wouldn't expect MP to fold J-x to a 2/3PSB turn bet. if we check we risk the turn checking through (so i'd save that for players you know are aggressive and float light), and i don't like betting small like 1/4PSB as it's very transparent, despite Phil Gordon's professional opinion to the contrary. though versus certain fish such a line is your best choice.
07-08-2008, 01:05 PM
freechus9

Hero bets $12, MP calls $12.

River: ($39.75) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)

Now what?
07-08-2008, 01:23 PM
badgers

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07-08-2008, 03:00 PM
Pythonic

Quote:

Originally Posted by freechus9

Hero bets $12, MP calls $12.

River: ($39.75) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)

Now what?

Im betting only like $7 here to induce a bluff.
07-08-2008, 04:38 PM
badgers

wait pythonic do you mean on the turn or the river? Either way I think it's horrible but please explain better!
07-08-2008, 04:43 PM
dalecooper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pythonic

Quote:

Originally Posted by freechus9

Hero bets $12, MP calls $12.

River: ($39.75) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)

Now what?

Im betting only like $7 here to induce a bluff.

Why? Do we have any evidence this guy isn't a total station? He called $5 flop, $12 turn... I bet $20 and hope he pushes.
07-08-2008, 04:45 PM
Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pythonic

Im betting only like $7 here to induce a bluff.

In the unlimited hold'them when we have a big hand against an unknown player we should just play it absurdly fast and let them figure out if you're really strong or just batshit insane. Even if they fold, they'll still come out of the deal feeling like they cheated on their wife with a $20 hooker.
07-08-2008, 04:54 PM
Monty3038

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Originally Posted by badgers

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Umm... ok...

Shove over. Let them figure it out.
07-08-2008, 04:55 PM
freechus9

(it's jam)
07-08-2008, 05:09 PM
Pythonic

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pythonic

Im betting only like $7 here to induce a bluff.

In the unlimited hold'them when we have a big hand against an unknown player we should just play it absurdly fast and let them figure out if you're really strong or just batshit insane. Even if they fold, they'll still come out of the deal feeling like they cheated on their wife with a $20 hooker.

You are right, we have no reads but I've seen so many players shove missed draws and top pairs to a weak river bet. It works for me at least.
07-08-2008, 05:19 PM
Fnord

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Originally Posted by Pythonic

missed draws and top pairs to a weak river bet.

Interesting, not what I've been seeing in the $200 6 max game.
07-08-2008, 05:28 PM
dalecooper

I see it a fair amount at 50 NL but I don't think trying to induce a bluff from an unknown is in any way going to be more profitable than just value-betting against someone who seems to like to call anyway. It's true that sometimes he'll have a missed draw here and fold, but it's also true that sometimes he'll have a missed draw and fold to your bluff-inducing tiny bet; and if he flat-calls with a pair or two pair, you'll be kicking yourself for not making a regular bet.
07-08-2008, 05:29 PM
Pythonic

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pythonic

missed draws and top pairs to a weak river bet.

Interesting, not what I've been seeing in the $200 6 max game.

Is the hand above from 200NL?
07-08-2008, 05:31 PM
Pythonic

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalecooper

I see it a fair amount at 50 NL but I don't think trying to induce a bluff from an unknown is in any way going to be more profitable than just value-betting against someone who seems to like to call anyway. It's true that sometimes he'll have a missed draw here and fold, but it's also true that sometimes he'll have a missed draw and fold to your bluff-inducing tiny bet; and if he flat-calls with a pair or two pair, you'll be kicking yourself for not making a regular bet.

I agree, and I think you mainly get paid when you have reads but how you gonna know till you try at least once against an unknown?
07-08-2008, 05:36 PM
dalecooper

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Originally Posted by Pythonic

I agree, and I think you mainly get paid when you have reads but how you gonna know till you try at least once against an unknown?

You can get reads on somebody else's dime just by sitting at the table and watching the showdowns. Just take the high percentage shot here.
07-08-2008, 05:46 PM
Pythonic

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalecooper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pythonic

I agree, and I think you mainly get paid when you have reads but how you gonna know till you try at least once against an unknown?

You can get reads on somebody else's dime just by sitting at the table and watching the showdowns. Just take the high percentage shot here.

Most multitablers cannot.