Regwarz - Fighting with one spewy opponent 100nl

This is something i feel i need to start doing more. Villain is 20/14/3 and is pretty spewy. (xcentalinehox is his name, he's the guy with the gnome avatar.) I have a note that he shoved JJ 90BBs deep after my 3bet w/ AAwhen he had raised from EP. I try and get him to spew at me whenever possible. How'd I do?

Sorry I think I need to leave the results in as they affect the next decision. I don't think any hand hand be looked at in isolation rly. All results are in white under each hand.

HAND 1) Turn check is weak but I thought he'd be floating a lot and there isn't a lot besides AQ I get more than 2 streets of value from. Also I thought my line would gte more value from a hand like JJ/AJ/JQ etc.

EDIT - The more I look at this the more I dislike my turn check. I'm treating my aces like bluffcatchers when I'm clearly ahead of his calling range. I dunno, I think his range is really weak and I wanted to give him a chance to bluff so I think there is some merit to the check but betting is better.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG+1 ($35.65)
MP1 ($117.35)
MP2 ($20)
MP3 ($99.50)
CO ($23.90)
Button ($32.90)
Hero ($92.95)
BB ($101.30)
UTG ($127.70)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, 2 folds, MP3 calls $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $6, 1 fold, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls $5.

Flop: ($14.50) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $10, MP3 calls $10.

Turn: ($34.50) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks.

River: ($34.50) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $25, MP3 calls $25.

Final Pot: $84.50

Villain calls with 33.

HAND 2 - I think this 3bet is spew against someone who is going to be 4betting a lot. I think I should be merging not polarising although is this ok for image/shizz?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($35.95)
UTG+1 ($100)
MP1 ($20)
MP2 ($116.15)
MP3 ($49.75)
CO ($20)
Hero ($125.95)
SB ($100)
BB ($154.75)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif.
3 folds, MP2 raises to $4, 2 folds, Hero raises to $12, 2 folds, MP2 raises to $40, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $25.50

HAND 3) I think this one is standard. Thoughts on 4bet sizing? I wanted him to come over the top with his entire 3betting range which should be pretty damn wide...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($110.10)
Button ($90.65)
SB ($95.50)
BB ($98.50)
UTG ($24.70)
UTG+1 ($102.05)
MP1 ($113.25)
MP2 ($99.35)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif.
2 folds, MP1 calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $5, Button calls $5, 1 fold, BB raises to $20, MP1 folds, Hero raises to $39, Button folds, BB raises to $98.5, Hero calls $59.50.

Flop: ($203.50) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)

Turn: ($203.50) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)

River: ($203.50) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)

Final Pot: $203.50

he has teh ladies QQ

HAND 4 - Totally standard I believe though if you have any thoughts post away. This is just here to give idea of history.

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Button ($19.10)
SB ($65.80)
BB ($147.70)
UTG ($28.75)
UTG+1 ($116.50)
MP1 ($100)
MP2 ($26)
Hero ($87.75)
CO ($114.60)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif.
2 folds, MP1 raises to $4, 1 fold, Hero calls $4, 4 folds.

Flop: ($9.50) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $7, MP1 calls $7.

Turn: ($23.50) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $17, MP1 raises to $89, Hero calls $59.75 (All-In).

River: ($189.25) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $177

Villain has Ad3d!!!!???

HAND 5 - Happened ~1minute after the hand above. Is it ok to call this huge overbet? I guess I'm folding this if I don't have the draw right?


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($59.90)
UTG+1 ($96.50)
MP1 ($12.50)
MP2 ($104.80)
MP3 ($103.40)
CO ($97.45)
Hero ($99.95)
SB ($127.50)
BB ($22)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif.
3 folds, MP2 raises to $4, 2 folds, Hero calls $4, 2 folds.

Flop: ($9.50) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($9.50) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $7, MP2 raises to $100.8, Hero calls $88.95 (All-In).

River: ($206.25) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $201.40

Villain had AdKd gg sir

HAND 6) About 5 mins later. I think I would have called a river bet also. Bad calldown?

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Button ($110.80)
SB ($53.80)
BB ($143.70)
UTG ($27.25)
MP1 ($104.55)
MP2 ($24.50)
Hero ($174.05)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif.
1 fold, MP1 raises to $4, 1 fold, Hero calls $4, 3 folds.

Flop: ($9.50) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
MP1 bets $7, Hero calls $7.

Turn: ($23.50) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
MP1 bets $15, Hero calls $15.

River: ($53.50) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $53.50

hand 1 I don't like the check because I think you will get a call from this guy with a whole lot more than AQ. If he's spewy let him spew. He'd probably call w/any decent pair, straight draw, flush draw and if he has one of those draws hes drawing for free.
Hand 2 I think is fine as long as you occasionally have the goods to shove over his 4bet.
Hand 3 kinda standard but I really don't like getting it in too often w/AKo (AKs more so). But 4bet I probably do to like $45ish with same results.
Hand 4 you said it
Hand 5 I probably fold cause its not worth that much of an overbet to me. If its this type of guy and he's short then I might call. Actually Idk, ya I don't mind a call....err ya this one's tough, if dynamics in the moment tell you to call I guess...
Hand 6 Wow ya you had quite a battle going w/this guy. I probably would just fold the flop and wait for a better spot here.

Keep fighting the good fight.

ugh i hate hand 1 even more now. Lack of turn bet is hooorrriiblle vs. this guy w/ so many draws.

fwiw i didn't mention i the op but villain is actually a reg. i dunno if he actually wins tho, i doubt it although maybe i just tilt him every time i play.

dammit i made another mistake in the op.

wat i meant in hand 2 is that i really don't think villain is going to fold to many of my 3bets so is it better to raise with hands like AJ/KQ instead of T7s?

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Originally Posted by badgers

Lack of turn bet is hooorrriiblle vs. this guy w/ so many draws.

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Monkey checked to, Monkey bet. You just got unlucky that he had showdown value.

On a mistake scale of 1 to 10, checking there to an aggressive player rates about a 3.

The light 3-bet is fine once a blue moon. It will re-assure him that playing uber-aggro against you is a winning strategy if you feed him a breadcrumb every now and then.

Keep fighting the good fight.

I like hand1 turn check. He's spewy, not necessarily stationey. I wouldn't expect someone with his preflop stats to be too stationey to the extent of "tard call 3 streets with 2ndpr", like I would some 40/2s, but loose enough to call 2 streets with a lot of hands, especially if he views you as able to 'make moves'. I think you got good value out of a fairly wide range.

I think hand2 is spew if he's positionally aware, cause his range is gunna be tighter from MP2, and the chances of a v with his general looseness backing down from too much of his range ain't good enough IMO. I see him calling here with all sorts of stuff that dominates you. I'd prefer a call & deal with his c-bet if he's a c-better & the board is good, but folding is eh ok too :)

Hand 3,4 okie

Hand 5 - too expensive for your hand. Yer paying rolex prices for a knockoff.

Hand 6 - I like, but I probably wouldn't call a river bet unless you've seen him triple barrel with missed overs before. That takes some serious balls / booze for even most spewy-end taggs.

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Originally Posted by d0zer

Hand 5 - too expensive for your hand. Yer paying rolex prices for a knockoff.

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Nit

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Originally Posted by d0zer

I like hand1 turn check. He's spewy, not necessarily stationey. I wouldn't expect someone with his preflop stats to be too stationey to the extent of "tard call 3 streets with 2ndpr", like I would some 40/2s, but loose enough to call 2 streets with a lot of hands, especially if he views you as able to 'make moves'. I think you got good value out of a fairly wide range.

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On a blank turn I totally agree, but this turn puts flush and straight draws out there. Dangerous check imo.

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Originally Posted by Fnord

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Originally Posted by d0zer

Hand 5 - too expensive for your hand. Yer paying rolex prices for a knockoff.

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Nit

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Results oriented! :x

we're paying $88.95 to win $112.45.

1.26:1 on da monies

Board: 5s 7c Jc 6h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.755% 45.75% 00.00% 6402 0.00 { 88 }
Hand 1: 54.245% 54.25% 00.00% 7590 0.00 { JJ+, 77-55, AJs+, AKo }

1.18:1 on range

So barely +EV if you like that range.

*waits for Fnord to quote that last sentence and respond with "I don't"*

His range is wider and you don't beat the table bully by folding good hands to really silly lines.

Sometimes you'll get the money in second best and feel silly, but that's just part of giving and getting action from the table gambler.

Do we actually know he's THAT spewey? I played fairly spewily not too long ago, running similar lines to this guy, similar stats, etc...and I wouldn't pull a move like that with a wider range than I gave.

Maybe I'm being nitty but it seems like every f'n time I call one of those massive overshoves, they got the goods.

Bah, prolly my cooler talking

i like the idea of fighting regs, learning to exploit them. However, if ya gonna do it you should go in well armed. Completely examine his hands and play. Replay the sessions you shared a table with him and watch his lines. Etc. Take thorough notes. Then destroy him.

Also, how many tables you baiting him on - and do you think he recognises it's you on each of the tables?

1) Limp call from this guy is always a low pair 22-66, he's opening the rest. So you're only really scared of 22. I don't think there is a jack in his range, so turn is ok, but I'd hate to see a river 5... I think bet turn is better, but this line is good too.
2) Your 3-betting range goes beyond cards, the button is worth a 3-bet if you're against a villain that can open-fold pre. Otherwise it's less cool, but occasionally ok
3) I don't like this. His push range has gotta be JJ+/AKS, you're behind or racing. Yuck.
4) NH
5) Bet flop. As played I don't like the turn - but go figure, i didn't expect to see that hand there
6) Read from hand 5 is that he isn't a c-bet monkey. And he's c-betting, which puts queens heavily in his range. I fold flop.

Ok Badgers... here goes. (without reading the results or posts from ftr)

Hand 1: I think you already know that checking the turn was bad... you seem to have already corrected yourself there.

Hand 2: If you want to build credibility towards your 3 bet range, do it against someone who doesn't 4 bet frequently... as I believe you already mentioned.

Hand 3: I think the key in this hand is the call from the button. This might get a lil complicated but bear with me. First of all, I only 4bet AK when I think I can either a) push villain off of their pp, or b) I think the 3bet was a re-steal attempt. Secondly, this does not looklike a re-steal because villain is oop vs. 2. The 3bet would have looked much different if you were for example sitting on the Button and raising to isolate a limper and steal blinds. Also, we must respect raises of any sort from the blinds more so than the average bet from other spots. Thus, at best I am calling villains 3bet. I think fold>call>raise here. calling with AK pre here is one of the few spots i'll do it, because of the action behind us as well as our position on the 3bettor. BTW, weak 4 bet. make it 2.5x+

Hand 4: standard

hand 5: you played the hand perfectly imo until the call of the shove, for two reasons: Villain doesn't have a weaker hand >45% of the time. Secondly, you do not have pot odds to call against AA.

Hand 6: I think villain liked the turn card more than you did. I generally do not fire second barrels when the board pairs up like this and I still have AK. The reason is because maybe villain doesn't believe me on the flop, ergo the float or call with mid pair like 77. the 4 on the turn is a great card for floaters because if they thought they were ahead on the flop, there is no reason to believe that villain improved their hand on this turn card. Good call on flop, bad call on turn.

Daven this player was on ~4/5 of my tables. I'm pretty sure he will recognise me, I have a memorable avatar for easy recognition.

Drew I'm really suprised you are saying fold to the threebet in hand three. This is a player who is far to aggro preflop, he loves to squeeze and this is a textbook opportunity fora squeeze. My iso range here is reallly wide, something like Ax, KT+, 22+, 45s+, 68s+ etc. If I'm folding AK to an aggressive player's squeeze in this spot then I'm playing ridiculously exploitably vs. a player aggro enough to do so. The idea behind the weak 4bet was to create an illusion of FE. Obv I'm commited and stacking off on almost any flop if he just flats, maybe $45 ish would be better but I wanted to get this aggro player to shove over lightly.

Hand 5, it's ok to look at previous results as they affect future decisions. Hand 4 look at what he shoved, do you still hate my call?

Hand 6 I was maybe getting a little carried away with the warring and I didn't really want to fold any hand to this player.

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

Hand 2: If you want to build credibility towards your 3 bet range, do it against someone who doesn't 4 bet frequently... as I believe you already mentioned.

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Also, what do you mean by building credibility? I don't want him to think my 3bet range is full of great hands I want him to think it's full of terrible hands, but then I think this 3bet is probs slightly bad in isolation, maybe ok given that he's a reg.

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Originally Posted by badgers

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

Hand 2: If you want to build credibility towards your 3 bet range, do it against someone who doesn't 4 bet frequently... as I believe you already mentioned.

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Also, what do you mean by building credibility?

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Why are you 3betting with ten high in FR? I think the answer to this question can be used as the same answer to your question.