50NL - AA vs nit

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07-14-2008, 01:13 PM

50NL - AA vs nit

This is probably a sanity check but whatever :)
Villain here is 16/7 and is basically setmining when he flats pf raises. I find it pretty transparent that he has a set here but can't get away. Is it at all possible to get away or is it just cooleraments if you run into a set?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG+1 ($71.75)
MP1 ($74.05)
MP2 ($39.40)
MP3 ($60.20)
CO ($29.25)
Button ($49.25)
SB ($51.90)
BB ($154.75)
Hero ($50.75)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif.
Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, MP1 calls $2, 6 folds.

Flop: ($4.75) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $3, MP1 calls $3.

Turn: ($10.75) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $6, MP1 raises to $12, Hero raises to $30, MP1 raises to $69.05, Hero calls $15.75 (All-In).

River: ($125.55) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $102.25
07-14-2008, 02:32 PM
Fnord

Check the turn. I see no reason to be playing a big pot here.

Check/fold would be too sick for my taste but a check/call check/call line on the turn + river will make it very difficult for him to stack you.
07-14-2008, 02:40 PM
a500lbgorilla

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Check the turn. I see no reason to be playing a big pot here.

Check/fold would be too sick for my taste but a check/call check/call line on the turn + river will make it very difficult for him to stack you.

This line seems crazy to me. If he's a nit, what do we expect him to bet? Unless you're expecting a check/check, check/bet/call kind of action which I think is the only time we're good.
07-14-2008, 02:45 PM
Fnord

Maybe it's the 6 max player in me, but I'm pretty sticky with Aces and my results haven't suggested a change in strategy.

On the turn I'm thinking 44/TT/JJ/QQ?/AK?/66-99?

You're way ahead/behind because of the paired board so I see no reason to bet the turn. See what he does and maybe get some of the weirder hands he'll show up with to stab at you. Also, under-repping our hand may get monsters to make smaller bets or even miss a street because they want to get some value out of their hand.
07-14-2008, 03:18 PM
a500lbgorilla

Hmm, now that i think about it...

44/TT/JJ/QQ?/AK?/66-99?

44, TT check behind.

JJ, QQ bet

AK is a bet.

66-99 is a nit check more than half the time.

I agree that he doesn't have a stray 4 in his range.

So maybe we should check/call the turn.. but what do we do on the river?
07-14-2008, 03:37 PM
Renton

i hate your betsizing. I'd bet big on the turn and probably fold to a raise. Since you bet so small its harder to define his range.

Also i don't really agree with fnord. We definitely want to play a big pot as long as he stays passive. The only reason you'd check this turn is for deception, or because you thought that he wouldn't perceive the K as a scare card and call you down lightly.

Obviously once the turn goes check check we should be betting the river for value. And if he bets we call and check call any river.
07-15-2008, 06:12 AM
daven

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Originally Posted by Renton

i hate your betsizing. I'd bet big on the turn and probably fold to a raise.

I struggle with checking this turn, cos we'd bet AK or KK here most times.
07-16-2008, 08:48 AM

I'm looking to play small pots with AA after the flop.

But my line is bet the flop and bet/call the turn and then check the river.

Then again in NL10 if I'm getting raised I'm up against at least a set here :(
07-16-2008, 08:57 AM
a500lbgorilla

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

I'm looking to play small pots with AA after the flop.

This seems way wrong to me. AA is by far my biggest winning hand, it's staggering. In 37k hands at 25 nl, I'm up 900 bucks and AA has earned me 720 bucks.
07-16-2008, 09:11 AM
badgers

against setfarming nits i agree with iopq, against most ppl i agree with rilla
07-16-2008, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

I'm looking to play small pots with AA after the flop.

This seems way wrong to me. AA is by far my biggest winning hand, it's staggering. In 37k hands at 25 nl, I'm up 900 bucks and AA has earned me 720 bucks.

3K hands into NL10 A5s is my best hand lol
I'll get back to you in 34K hands
07-16-2008, 01:38 PM
ChrisBCritter

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

Then again in NL10 if I'm getting raised I'm up against at least a set here :(

Your table selection sucks then. At $10NL the more you get all in with AA the better, almost no matter what the villian.

I like renton's view. $9.50 on the turn would make it much easier to fold if he raises over, given his stats.
07-16-2008, 01:46 PM
badgers

theres nothing wrong with sitting down on a table full of terrible nits. I guess at 10nl there are better tables but it should be easily beatable.
07-17-2008, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisBCritter

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Originally Posted by iopq

Then again in NL10 if I'm getting raised I'm up against at least a set here :(

Your table selection sucks then. At $10NL the more you get all in with AA the better, almost no matter what the villian.

I like renton's view. $9.50 on the turn would make it much easier to fold if he raises over, given his stats.

No, I have like no variance because I can tell exactly when I'm ahead.

Loose passives are better than loose aggressives to play against
07-17-2008, 08:14 AM
ChrisBCritter

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Originally Posted by iopq

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Originally Posted by ChrisBCritter

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Originally Posted by iopq

Then again in NL10 if I'm getting raised I'm up against at least a set here :(

Your table selection sucks then. At $10NL the more you get all in with AA the better, almost no matter what the villian.

I like renton's view. $9.50 on the turn would make it much easier to fold if he raises over, given his stats.

No, I have like no variance because I can tell exactly when I'm ahead.

Loose passives are better than loose aggressives to play against

To each there own. I like the action of these idiots pushing 95s into me. I don't want to have to wait for a cooler to have a big hand.
07-17-2008, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisBCritter

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Originally Posted by iopq

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Originally Posted by ChrisBCritter

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Originally Posted by iopq

Then again in NL10 if I'm getting raised I'm up against at least a set here :(

Your table selection sucks then. At $10NL the more you get all in with AA the better, almost no matter what the villian.

I like renton's view. $9.50 on the turn would make it much easier to fold if he raises over, given his stats.

No, I have like no variance because I can tell exactly when I'm ahead.

Loose passives are better than loose aggressives to play against

To each there own. I like the action of these idiots pushing 95s into me. I don't want to have to wait for a cooler to have a big hand.

Well, when you have an overpair or TPTK and someone pushes on the flop, it's not very nice :/ I think I get more value for those hands
07-17-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by badgers

theres nothing wrong with sitting down on a table full of terrible nits. I guess at 10nl there are better tables but it should be easily beatable.

This. A table full of 5/3's is money in my pocket.

Thanks for the thoughts btw guys!
07-17-2008, 03:54 PM
ChrisBCritter

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

Well, when you have an overpair or TPTK and someone pushes on the flop, it's not very nice :/ I think I get more value for those hands

LOL Quite the friendly Ping-pong match we have going here.

FWIW, I tend to get it all in (for 100BBs anyways) with TopTop and Overpairs quite frequently, doesn't bother me a bit, that's why I have a bankroll. Sure I occasionally run into sets and other made hands when I do this, but you'd be very surprised what they are willing to bluff into me with when I've been giving a lot of LAGGY action. Every idiot seems to have their breaking point.
07-17-2008, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

I'm looking to play small pots with AA after the flop.

This seems way wrong to me. AA is by far my biggest winning hand, it's staggering. In 37k hands at 25 nl, I'm up 900 bucks and AA has earned me 720 bucks.

You run bad. I'm +$997 so far at 50NL but +$2,154 with AA at 50NL.
07-17-2008, 11:14 PM
pankfish

I don't see any reason to 3 bet this turn. After he minraises you go into call down mode.
07-23-2008, 06:46 AM
AirBall

I wouldn't say a 16/7 is only calling pre-flop with PP's. Will also have Axs and SC in his calling range.
07-23-2008, 03:57 PM

I call with Axs suited sometimes, but usually when I already open limped and got raised... since I'm already a bet in
I'm running at 17/10
I probably wouldn't cold-call from MP though