Why me?

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07-14-2008, 05:29 PM
dalecooper

Why me?

Villain #1 is a total unknown who just sat. Villain #2 is a mediocre semi-LAgg who doesn't play very well but doesn't ever do anything that unusual (at least as far as I've seen previously). Stacks are $50 all the way around. On the hand just before this, I raised UTG and villain #2 3-bet from the SB; I folded.

I am dealt :As: :Ac: in the BB. Folds around to villain #2, who raises on the button, making it 1.75. I 3-bet to 5.50. Villain #1 flat-calls both raises from the BB. Villain #2 hesitates and calls as well.

The flop is :Kh: :Qd: :6h:.

I lead out for 14.00. Villain #1 pushes all in. Villain #2 thinks for about 5 seconds and calls. Hero...????????????
07-14-2008, 05:35 PM
Fnord

I pay this off.
07-14-2008, 05:49 PM
Pythonic

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

I pay this off.
07-15-2008, 12:00 AM
bjsaust

I would call.
07-15-2008, 12:57 AM
UG

I fold. If I'm wrong I'm pissed (of course) but I think folding is best here more often than not.
07-15-2008, 09:08 AM
dalecooper

Right or wrong, I made the call. Villain #1 had a set of queens and #2 had just a flush draw.
07-15-2008, 11:44 AM
Galapogos

Why does everyone pay this off? Seems you're behind if not ever so slightly ahead at best.
07-15-2008, 11:51 AM
Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galapogos

Why does everyone pay this off? Seems you're behind if not ever so slightly ahead at best.

We're behind KK/QQ/KQ and have outs against all 3.

We beat flush draws, JT, AK which all play like this. Then consider less likely stuff like KJ and AQ which these guys might be retarded enough to play.

$30 into $120 I GAMB00L here.
07-15-2008, 11:56 AM
dalecooper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

We're behind KK/QQ/KQ and have outs against all 3.

We beat flush draws, JT, AK which all play like this. Then consider less likely stuff like KJ and AQ which these guys might be retarded enough to play.

$30 into $120 I GAMB00L here.

Basically, this. And I've seen enough retards doing this kind of thing with AK/KJ that it makes me not want to fold for those pot odds. Against KQ I'm not even a huge dog. Only KK/QQ are a real worry, and very few players flat (even after two raises) with KK, making it a more improbable holding for an unknown player.

The player on the button doesn't concern me either. His hesitation on my 3-bet and then on the flop call basically scream "I am an idiot with a draw or top pair."
07-15-2008, 01:53 PM
griffey24

Re: Why me?

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Originally Posted by dalecooper

Villain #1 flat-calls both raises from the BB.

I think this kind of action is much much more QQ/KK than KQ showing up here, or some random hand like JT that would have a decent draw on this flop.

I can't see a FD showing up here unless its AQhs/AJhs which are still drawing pretty live against us.

If I'm not being a complete spewfactory, I probably fold this.
07-15-2008, 02:34 PM
dalecooper

Re: Why me?

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Originally Posted by griffey24

If I'm not being a complete spewfactory, I probably fold this.

Your pot odds are 4:1 - do you really think your equity is so low in this spot? I agree that it looks a lot like he has a set, but between the chances that he doesn't and the button player blatantly throwing money away on a draw or a dead hand, this is really hard to get away from.