320bb deep, middle pair vs maniac - push?

ok, situation is super deep vs a 70/40 maniac who 3-bets about 50%. Some hands below for context. Is folding here weak? the table waitlist is 20 long and full of regs...


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (9 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

($34.50)
SB ($406.30)
BadPacket ($757.95)
UTG ($171.55)
UTG+1 ($129.85)
MP1 ($386.20)
Hero ($84)
MP3 ($201.75)
CO ($264.30)

Preflop: is with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif .

Flop: ($1.50) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (9 players)
BB bets $12, Hero raises to $78 (All-In), BB calls $66.

Turn: ($157.50) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (9 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($157.50) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (9 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $157.50

Results in white below:
BB has 2h Qc (high card, ace).
Hero has Jh Ad (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins $157.50.


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($34.50)
Button ($405.80)
BadPacket ($673.95)
BB ($171.55)
UTG ($129.85)
UTG+1 ($386.20)
Hero ($165.50)
MP2 ($201.75)
MP3 ($264.30)

Preflop: is with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif,

converter playing up, 3-way all-in pre-flop...

Flop: ($1.50) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (9 players)

Turn: ($1.50) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (9 players)

River: ($1.50) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (9 players)

Final Pot: $1.50

Results below:
SB has 5c 7h (one pair, threes).
Hero has Kd Ah (two pair, aces and threes).
has 9c 9h (full house, nines full of threes).

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($101.50)
MP1 ($405.80)
MP2 ($483.45)
MP3 ($170.05)
CO ($116.85)
Button ($382.70)
Hero ($301)
BB ($198.75)
UTG ($264.30)

Preflop: is with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif,Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif .

Flop: ($1.50) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (9 players)

Turn: ($1.50) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (9 players)

River: ($1.50) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (9 players)

Final Pot: $1.50

Results below:
Hero has Ac Ad (two pair, aces and queens).
has Ah As (two pair, aces and queens).


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($105.50)
UTG+1 ($405.80)
BadPacket ($478.45)
MP2 ($170.05)
MP3 ($111.85)
CO ($382.70)
Hero ($302.50)
SB ($197.75)
BB ($264.30)

Preflop: is with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif,Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif .

Flop: ($1.50) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (9 players)
MP1 bets $26, Hero raises to $292 (All-In), MP1 calls $266.

Turn: ($585.50) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (9 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($585.50) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (9 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $585.50

Results below:
MP1 has 8c Js (two pair, kings and jacks).
Hero has Qd Kh (straight, king high).
Outcome: Hero wins $585.50.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (9 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

($105.50)
UTG+1 ($405.80)
BadPacket ($321.95)
MP2 ($170.05)
MP3 ($111.85)
CO ($382.70)
Hero ($579.5)
SB ($197.75)
BB ($264.30)

Preflop: is with Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif,Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif .

Flop: ($1.50) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (9 players)
MP1 bets $26, Hero raises to $85 , MP1 calls $85.

Turn: ($207.50) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif
MP1 bets $65, Hero raises to ??? push???

what happend preflop

and why did u raise flop

and why would you shove turn

i wasn;t hero, i was sitting on the waitlist. Hence the weird hand history conversion ( i think?!?)
the hand in question the 'hero' pushed, and got a call. Obviously a big pot, and i was trying to find if there is any merit in his play here....

i dont like it at all, id just call,call,call if i didnt improve.

if villain is that bad i would just wait for a better spot this is really marginal.

amen to renton and any posts agreeing with renton

this is the worst flop raise I´ve ever seen

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Originally Posted by Deanglow

this is the worst flop raise I´ve ever seen

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that's what i thought. Probably wasn't the best call to stack off here either - i stopped watching not long after...

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Originally Posted by Deanglow

this is the worst flop raise I´ve ever seen

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i laughed.