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Milo777 (villian) had been playing pretty tight.

Pacific Poker Game #5916796934: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/09/12 - 07:34:52 (ET)
Table 'Sancho Panza Belicosos' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Taurus_1 ($61.11 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero ($55.55 in chips)
Seat 3: Milo777 ($61.04 in chips)
Seat 4: Jiva74 ($19.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Urinal42 ($52.75 in chips)
Milo777: posts small blind $0.25
Jiva75: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [8s 8d]
Urinal42: folds
Taurus_1: raises $1 to $1.50
Hero: calls $1.50
Milo777: calls $1.25
Jiva75: folds
*** FLOP *** [5h 5d 4h]
Milo777: checks
Taurus_1: bets $4
Hero: raises $5 to $9
Milo777: calls $9
Taurus_1: folds
*** TURN *** [5h 5d 4h] [5c]
Milo777: checks
Hero: bets $15
Milo777: calls $15
*** RIVER *** [5h 5d 4h 5c] [Jd]
Milo777: bets $12.06
Hero: calls $12.06
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero: shows [8s 8d] (full house, fives full of eights)
Villian: shows [3s 5s] (four of a kind, fives)
Villian collected $77.12 from pot

I'm not really sure if I played this bad or not. Comments? How would you play this?

... if villain had AJ im pretty sure he didnt have four fives ... ?

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Originally Posted by Marshall28

... if villain had AJ im pretty sure he didnt have four fives ... ?

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that's what I was thinking when I read this ^^

Edited...
Sry, I wrote that hand manually cus my pokertracker is down. It is a real hand tho, and even if it wasn't I would still like some toughts around it ^^

Rofl needed 10'th posts to post this.

Proof: ;)
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/7859/handfe0.jpg

if youre ok with making moves w/88, 3bet to 4.5-5.5 pre with the intention to cbet a good board. On given flop I would check and bet/raise any turn though, but its highly villain deendent(does he give up on the flop or the turn much, 3bets often folds to 2nd barrels?)

Ask yourself (and then explain to me) why you're doing what you're doing here. What is the purpose of your flop raise, first of all? It seems unlikely to win the pot right there - it's barely more than a min-raise - so it seems to me like you're just trying to "find out where you are," which is a bad reason to do anything. Get past that mentality. You'll find out where you are naturally as you bet for other reasons (to win the pot, for value, etc.).

Secondly: villain who you classified as tight just cold-called two bets on the flop, out of position. That means one of a few things: 1. your read on him is wrong (so he could have a draw - this board has several of them, not to mention overcards if he's really bad); 2. he has a monster (trips or a full house on the flop) and is slowplaying; 3. he has a weakish overpair like yours and feels compelled to show it down. You should immediately start figuring out ranges when he does this on that flop.

Your turn bet is now taking a stab in the dark. What's he got - quads? High cards? A straight or flush draw that will no longer mean anything? An overpair that has become a boat? This turn card has resulted in an atypical wa/wb (way ahead/way behind) situation. Either he has zero to six outs, or you have zero to two outs. Your hand could be good a lot here, depending on just how bad villain is, but I'd encourage you to check behind and try to get to a showdown. If he checks the river you can make a standard value bet and hope to get called by whatever he's got. If he shows down crap - live and learn, take notes on him.

In general, my preferred way to play this is call the flop, re-evaluate the turn. You have a small pot kind of hand, don't build a big one instead. Alternatively, 3-betting pre-flop is fine too, and you can take control of the hand the way you sort of tried to on the flop here.

Thanks for the nice answer dalecooper, appreciate it.

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It seems unlikely to win the pot right there - it's barely more than a min-raise - so it seems to me like you're just trying to "find out where you are," which is a bad reason to do anything.

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Haven't tought about that much, I'll have it in the back of my mind in the future.

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What is the purpose of your flop raise, first of all?

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To take the pot right away, that tauren dude would easily bet with two overcards and fold to a raise. But I know what your saying, I should bet more.

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Originally Posted by Fragmad

To take the pot right away, that tauren dude would easily bet with two overcards and fold to a raise. But I know what your saying, I should bet more.

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If you're going to raise, definitely make a raise that encourages him to let go of his hand. I don't think raising is the best option here, however, because I think he is definitely going to want to hang around with all the hands that beat you (i.e. 99-AA) and fold a lot of hands that have six or fewer outs. Add in the fact that you don't know what the other player is going to do (a check-raise here would be devastating and you'd almost certainly have to fold) - I think calling the opening bet is the right move, and then just see how things proceed. Obviously it gives a free card to any flush draw or overcard hands the other two players may hold, but I don't think that should be your primary concern since your own hand has only marginal equity to begin with.

That said - if you're raising, make it like $11 or $12 and give him something to think about. Also, if the other guy THEN cold-calls both the bet and the raise, you really need to start worrying about what he holds, because only an absolute fish would make that call with anything worse than trips.