200nl- played this like crap

villain is a donating donkey running 50/10/3 over 100 hands. On the turn i was going for a checkraise but im thinking i should have just bet near to pot. Then on river do you ever bet this for value or just check call hoping to catch a bluff, i think i should have gone for the latter.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 ($191.00)
MP2 ($140.50)
MP3 ($197.00)
Hero (CO) ($259.35)
villain (Button) ($160.75)
SB ($165.00)
BB ($272.35)
UTG ($201.40)
UTG+1 ($208.20)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2.00, 3 folds, Hero raises to $9.00, villain calls $9.00, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $7.00

Flop: ($30.00) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $24.00, villain calls $24.00, 1 fold

Turn: ($78.00) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, villain checks

River: ($78.00) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $40.00, villain calls $40.00

Total pot: $158.00 | Rake: $3.00

villain looks a lot like wiffed king high flush.

everything looks good but i prefer to check call rivers here.

I prefer to bet the turn to get value from flush draws & the nines yer ahead of :?:

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

everything looks good but i prefer to check call rivers here.

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This

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Originally Posted by d0zer

I prefer to bet the turn to get value from flush draws & the nines yer ahead of :?:

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I'm 50/50 on betting the turn.

This hand looks a lot like small PP's / drawing hands. By checking, we certainly get a call when we bet the river and we might get bluff action into us on wiffed drawing hands. Checking oop here can get 3 streets of value too.

bet turn, check call river.
You moved up at the same time as I moved down! nice... how;s the air up there?

yea... bet turn...C/C river

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Originally Posted by daven

bet turn, check call river.
You moved up at the same time as I moved down! nice... how;s the air up there?

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NITTY :/.

ok, lets say we check the turn to villain, and he almost pots for 65-70, i really hate check calling in this spot so its an easy shove over yes?

it's harder to check/raise when you LED THE FLOP

you're supposed to check/raise when it's not going to get checked behind... as in against an aggressor from the previous street

there are 3 streets of value for me in this hand.
the only hand im concerned with is JJ and considering he'll look up 3 streets with A9/A7 type hands you know he is playing at 50/10 i think turn is an easy bet setting up a river push for value or a c/c his big bluff.

Id bet 55 on turn, possible fold to a shove (but i doubt it) and check to opp on river and let him bet

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Originally Posted by iopq

it's harder to check/raise when you LED THE FLOP

you're supposed to check/raise when it's not going to get checked behind... as in against an aggressor from the previous street

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I dont overly get what your trying to say here but the amount of times i see villains in pos stab at the turn for a healthy bet when checked to is ridiculous, they see my flop bet as a c bet and just think im giving up with overs thus they bet, most of the time on a semi bluff or with the worse hand. Thats what im getting at here though I now agree i should have bet near pot myself rather than checking.

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Originally Posted by Miffed22001

there are 3 streets of value for me in this hand.
the only hand im concerned with is JJ and considering he'll look up 3 streets with A9/A7 type hands you know he is playing at 50/10 i think turn is an easy bet setting up a river push for value or a c/c his big bluff.

Id bet 55 on turn, possible fold to a shove (but i doubt it) and check to opp on river and let him bet

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agree, anywho results, villain had kj diamonds so not only did i let him get there i even bet the river for him :), yup ive played hands better. drew you win the special hand reading prize.

another very similiar hand to the one above, is betting the turn once again the optimal play? what makes the decision harder was that the villain was a complete unknown.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (MP1) ($200.00)
MP2 ($83.70)
MP3 ($100.00)
CO ($200.00)
Button ($170.05)
SB ($304.00)
BB ($205.00)
UTG ($38.95)
UTG+1 ($164.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2.00, Hero raises to $9.00, 2 folds, CO calls $9.00, 4 folds

Flop: ($23.00) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $17.00, CO calls $17.00

Turn: ($57.00) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $34.00, Hero calls $34.00

River: ($125.00) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $108.00, Hero folds, 1 fold

Total pot: $125.00 | Rake: $3.00

Results in white below:
CO didn't show.
Outcome: CO won $122.00

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Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101

another very similiar hand to the one above, is betting the turn once again the optimal play? what makes the decision harder was that the villain was a complete unknown.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (MP1) ($200.00)
MP2 ($83.70)
MP3 ($100.00)
CO ($200.00)
Button ($170.05)
SB ($304.00)
BB ($205.00)
UTG ($38.95)
UTG+1 ($164.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2.00, Hero raises to $9.00, 2 folds, CO calls $9.00, 4 folds

Flop: ($23.00) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $17.00, CO calls $17.00

Turn: ($57.00) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $34.00, Hero calls $34.00

River: ($125.00) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $108.00, Hero folds, 1 fold

Total pot: $125.00 | Rake: $3.00

Results in white below:
CO didn't show.
Outcome: CO won $122.00

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As played, I prefer to shove over on the turn... Often times, he floats this kind of flop with pairs less than TT.

Hand 2: I prefer the way you played this hand vs. Hand 1.

I like the option of c/r turn here but I tend to lean towards the c/c line.

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Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101

another very similiar hand to the one above, is betting the turn once again the optimal play? what makes the decision harder was that the villain was a complete unknown.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (MP1) ($200.00)
MP2 ($83.70)
MP3 ($100.00)
CO ($200.00)
Button ($170.05)
SB ($304.00)
BB ($205.00)
UTG ($38.95)
UTG+1 ($164.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2.00, Hero raises to $9.00, 2 folds, CO calls $9.00, 4 folds

Flop: ($23.00) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $17.00, CO calls $17.00

Turn: ($57.00) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $34.00, Hero calls $34.00

River: ($125.00) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $108.00, Hero folds, 1 fold

Total pot: $125.00 | Rake: $3.00

Results in white below:
CO didn't show.
Outcome: CO won $122.00

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on the turn i feel we are good loads so i c/r rather than betting as villain can easily call a pot bet and bluff lots of rivers.
Also this donkey doesnt know to take a free card so he will bet something (something pretty dumb normally) so c/r isnt worse than a lead bet

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Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101

drew you win the special hand reading prize.

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Yeah but I win the "how to play the hand correctly now that we know the results" prize :lol:

/resultsOriented



I still think that someone who's this damn loose over 100 hands should be a great candidate for flop/turn value on a drawey board with an overpair.

As played I probably c/c the river like a station hoping he'll bluff the river scare card, but maybe I should stop expecting bad players to be this advanced :oops:

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Originally Posted by d0zer

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Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101

drew you win the special hand reading prize.

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Yeah but I win the "how to play the hand correctly now that we know the results" prize :lol:

/resultsOriented



I still think that someone who's this damn loose over 100 hands should be a great candidate for flop/turn value on a drawey board with an overpair.

As played I probably c/c the river like a station hoping he'll bluff the river scare card, but maybe I should stop expecting bad players to be this advanced :oops:

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na c/c rivers when the board blanks out against average/bad villains is +++ ev, i dont know why i didnt do it myself, would have likely saved myself some money on that first hand.