100NL: KK

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09-09-2008, 02:55 PM
d0zer

100NL: KK

Villain 18/6

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (UTG) ($123.95)
MP ($89.25)
CO ($50.20)
Button ($98.25)
SB ($94.50)
BB ($118.60)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif
Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, CO calls $4, 2 folds, BB calls $3

Flop: ($12.50) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $10, 1 fold, BB calls $10

Turn: ($32.50) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $20, BB calls $20

River: ($72.50) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
BB bets $70 Hero...?
09-09-2008, 03:52 PM
ATOTHEC101

fold
09-09-2008, 03:53 PM
Im_new

I put him on TT .... I think I can get away while kicking and screaming.... What is his AF? If its big, I fold.... if its small, I call.

not entirely sure though.
09-09-2008, 04:14 PM
aka_red

Quote:

Originally Posted by Im_new

I put him on TT .... I think I can get away while kicking and screaming.... What is his AF? If its big, I fold.... if its small, I call.

not entirely sure though.

that's not how this stat works.

http://overcards.com/art-AF.php
09-09-2008, 04:17 PM
aka_red

oh yeah, fold. Best case scenario he's blocking with QQ.

Board: 8h 8d 8s Td Jc

Hand 0: 50.000% 50.00% 00.00% 36 0.00 { KK }
Hand 1: 50.000% 50.00% 00.00% 36 0.00 { QQ-TT }

Even though this is even equity I still think your boned.
09-09-2008, 04:56 PM
Deanglow

0% chance I'm folding. I can't put him on a tangible range but I think I'm ahead at least 50% of the time.
09-09-2008, 05:04 PM
Im_new

Quote:

Originally Posted by reDZill4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Im_new

I put him on TT .... I think I can get away while kicking and screaming.... What is his AF? If its big, I fold.... if its small, I call.

not entirely sure though.

that's not how this stat works.

http://overcards.com/art-AF.php

What do you mean?

Here is my logic: if his aggro factor is high, he probably would have re-raised flop or turn IMO. In those cases, he's re-raising to push away A-x and medium pairs that aggressive players will second barrel to flush out villains medium pairs and A-x hands that floated. Especially on that turn card, a player with a high AF should 3-bet. But he doesn't, he only calls and pulls this number on the river, which will often push away a bigger boat like yours (KK-JJ). I think this player can steal this pot from you with his line. I really really love his line against another Taggy player.

So if its typical for him to call down, I call.... If he's usually more aggro post flop, but this time around he's being passive, I get suspicious and fold.

Question: does anyone else think his bet is HUGE to be going for value? Feels like a steal gone perfectly for him. idk...
09-09-2008, 06:14 PM
ATOTHEC101

high af equals agro whilst low af equals cautious and passive, thus if he has a low af its more of a reason NOT to call rather than call.
09-09-2008, 08:12 PM

call against HIGH af players
nobody includes AJs in his range here?
09-09-2008, 08:26 PM
d0zer

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

nobody includes AJs in his range here?

doesn't seem too likely that this villain will call two streets with ace high. Especially since I was the UTG PF raiser.
09-09-2008, 08:39 PM
Deanglow

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

call against HIGH af players
nobody includes AJs in his range here?

I almost think this is his most likely hand
09-09-2008, 09:06 PM
ATOTHEC101

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deanglow

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

call against HIGH af players
nobody includes AJs in his range here?

I almost think this is his most likely hand

How do you come to this conclusion? I feel its FAR more likely he has jj/1010 here than aj, so many fullring players specifically at 100/200nl play the aforementioned hands exactly like this respecting the utg raise with their highish pairs by just calling down but then hitting their gin card on the turn or river and waking up with a large bet/raise. Hell its even possible hes playing 87s,86s,108s etc calling purely for implied odds in position against what is often a fairly big hand belonging to the utg raiser. I know im a showdown nit in these sort of spots but id fold this against any non moron/agro vilain.
09-09-2008, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d0zer

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

nobody includes AJs in his range here?

doesn't seem too likely that this villain will call two streets with ace high. Especially since I was the UTG PF raiser.

What about 99?
09-09-2008, 09:26 PM
d0zer

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

Quote:

Originally Posted by d0zer

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

nobody includes AJs in his range here?

doesn't seem too likely that this villain will call two streets with ace high. Especially since I was the UTG PF raiser.

What about 99?

I thought 99-QQ was his most likely holding until the river shove which kinda eliminates 99 from this villain. I had no notes saying "villain is fucking crazy postflop"
09-09-2008, 09:33 PM
Squeaky_Midget1

Pleease tell me you called this
09-09-2008, 09:40 PM
pokerfan

hmmm, a 18/6 guy. If his AF is really low, i could see a fold here. Otherwise, i hate my life and call.
09-09-2008, 09:53 PM
ATOTHEC101

lol that note u have changes things alot, wished ud supplied this info earlier! On this revelation I call the river bet and just chalk it down as a cooler if im beat.

edit: im an idiot and misread what you said as you having a note rather than have not :oops:, so i stick to my original plan: folding :D
09-09-2008, 10:08 PM
wufwugy

odds are bad and average players play a worse hand like this a small percentage of the time
09-09-2008, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reDZill4

oh yeah, fold. Best case scenario he's blocking with QQ.

Board: 8h 8d 8s Td Jc

Hand 0: 50.000% 50.00% 00.00% 36 0.00 { KK }
Hand 1: 50.000% 50.00% 00.00% 36 0.00 { QQ-TT }

Even though this is even equity I still think your boned.

How does one block with a psb? Wouldn't you block with like 1/3 pot?
09-10-2008, 04:26 AM
badgers

he has JJ ldo.
09-10-2008, 10:06 AM
Im_new

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101

high af equals agro whilst low af equals cautious and passive, thus if he has a low af its more of a reason NOT to call rather than call.

Oh OH O.... I just started using an HUD, and I missed interpreted the stat. :( I thought AF gauged how AGGRO the player was ONLY. I used the stat as: "on a scale from 1-6, 1 being slightly aggressive and 6 being maniac," how aggro is he? Rather than the correct way to think of it, "on a scale from 1-6, 1 being passive, 3 being average, 6 being very aggressive, how aggro is he?"
See what I mean?

Thanks for the correction :)
09-10-2008, 10:15 AM
d0zer

Quote:

Originally Posted by badgers

he has JJ ldo.

Yes he did.

*gives badgers a reward cookie*