NL50 3bet - flatted oop w/ QQ, ship it?

Haven't seen villian do too much, he's only been sitting for a few orbits. Up to this point, he seems borderline taggish/laggish, picking his spots well. I didn't want to 4bet being oop against an unknown. I called the flop wanting to see how he reacts on the turn and then he fires again committing himself and I'm supposed to ?????

Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

CO ($47.15)
Villian (Button) ($60.55)
Hero (SB) ($70.05)
BB ($58.30)
MP ($51.35)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif
1 fold, CO raises to $1.75, Villian raises to $6, Hero calls $5.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($14.25) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Villian bets $11, Hero calls $11

Turn: ($36.25) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Villian bets $30, Hero ???

so Im just gonna throw in my two cents, i guess I would call myself a 50nl reg so I am fairly familiar with the play at this level:

First of all how can someone be taggish/laggish, are they a tagg or a lagg?

Now even without that info a three-bet on the button isnt as strong as a three-bet from wherre you are so there are many many things in his range that you are beating. Also he could just be thinking that this guy made a standard raise from the cutoff so ill counter that, although with the sb and bb behind that is less likely. Obviously there is room for a monster KK or AA. Flatting here I just find to be the wrong move. Now you are in an awkward position if the CO shoves over and also even with everyone else folding you now are oop to the flop. I would think 4-bet this. if the button calls then I am shipping most undercard flops, if he shoves, well i guess that depends on whether he is tagg or lagg or previous plays but I am almost always wanting my money in the pot.

As played its tough cause this is exactly the situation being avoided by 4-betting pre. The bet sizes are strong, but without any info its tough. At this point it mnay be a fold because you have sacraficed so much info in teh previous betting rounds that there is just no way to know. If you think about it from a range perspective, what is he double barreling here?--AA, KK, QQ, JJ, 10's, 9's, could have been 3-bet hands pre AK and maybe he thinks your weak? And also complete air and he got crazy. How many of these are you beating and how likely arte they. It's close.

He could play some what taggish but his VPIP could somewhere near 30VPIP. Not exactly LAG, but not really TAG either.

The reason I say taggish/laggish is because it seemed to be in between. It was difficult to say specifically one or the other because I wasn't using any type of program.

easy turn shovel.

4-bet pre, get it in (of course the Steinberg is right :D).

As played, c/shove the turn, and i like how you played it postflop.

I don't hate a fold pre-flop. Really depends on how your game plays.

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Originally Posted by Fnord

I don't hate a fold pre-flop. Really depends on how your game plays.

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I actually did think about this for a few seconds but have never folded QQ pf and it'll prolly be a longtime until i have to (able to).