Haven't seen one, so let us go go go!
PHILLIES BABY, ABOUT TO SWEEP THE VASTLY INFERIOR BREWERS
bretttt myerrrrs
also, cubbies getting utterly spanked by the dodgers
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Haven't seen one, so let us go go go!
PHILLIES BABY, ABOUT TO SWEEP THE VASTLY INFERIOR BREWERS
bretttt myerrrrs
also, cubbies getting utterly spanked by the dodgers
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
people actually watch baseball?
i should've also included haters need not post in thread
Don't even bother making a baseball thread dthorne. FTR is about 90% baseball bashers.
Phils game today was amazing. The Myers AB when the fans started standing and cheering because he fouled ONE ball off when the count was 1-2, then kept cheering as he worked the count full and went nuts when he got the walk... Philly fans at their finest. I honestly think they rattled Sabathia in that AB. He proceeded to walk Rollins on 4 pitches and then give up the grand slam to Victorino. I haven't been that excited watching the Phillies since '93.
Can't believe the Dodgers have crushed the Cubs two games in a row at Wrigley. I feel horrible for Cubs fans but I'm psyched the Phils will probably have home field advantage in the NLCS.
I enjoy playoff baseball on TV, otherwise baseball on TV is tough to watch. It's hard to beat going to a good ball park and seeing a game in person though.
I really have little interest in who wins this postseason, I used to be a huge whitesox fan growing up cuz I loved the Big Hurt.
then they can stay out of the thread, bob.
so sick zook. i wish i still lived in pa, would def. have to check out one of the games. goddd i feel like this team has the ability to go all the way this postseason, it's so sick seeing brett myers in good form, and along with hamels and moyer i think they have the starting pitching, they obviously have the bats, and they have what i think is the best bullpen in baseball. let's gooo.
go red sox
fear the dodgers
GO LAD!
So happy to see the Dodgers spanking the Cubbies. The Cubs have not suffered enough until I say it's enough.
I also would pay large sums of money for a picture of Steinbrenner & Jeter watching Torre & Man-Ram winning the World Series the year they failed to even make the playoffs.
haha id love to see the dodgers go all tha way.
Huge Dodgers fan here and I can't believe the way they've destroyed the Cubs. We're clicking on all cylinders at the moment. Phillies and Dodgers sounds like a good NLCS.
Can someone direct me to the haters lounge?
Are the Royals in?
Twenty plus years and you still gotta ask?
I am not surprised the phillies are crushing the brewers, they don't have the pitching needed to go deep. I am also not really surprised the dodgers are doing well, they had momentum going into the playoff and have a very good rotation, along with the cubs playoff history. The redsox winning game one was a huge win for them with beckett not healthy and i think they have a great shot at winning that series now. The whitesox are toast, they are just not as good a team as the rays period. Baseball is a great sport, all the haters can jump off a bridge.
Are you really from Philly? ;) I still have doubts about the starting pitching. Hamels is a stud, obv their ace. But he's young and given the Phils' complete lack of a number 4 starter (are they srsly going to pitch JA Happ in the NLCS or WS?), he's going to get asked to pitch on 3 days rest a lot. That worries me given that he's already pitched a career high innings this year. Brett Myers is a head-case and didn't pitch as well as his line yesterday. The Brewers were swinging at bad pitches and missing fat fastballs up. I love Moyer, but he's capable of getting shelled any game his control is slightly off or the home plate umpire has a small strike zone.Quote:
Originally Posted by dthorne04
The Phils bullpen and bats are awesome but I'm worried about the starters.
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Originally Posted by Trikflow77
Honesty, I think the Dodgers and the Cubs are both built better for a 7 game series than the Phillies are. With that being said there are two World Series that I really want to see: Rays vs Phillies or Dodgers vs Red Sox with Manny destroying Boston.
here ya go 'rilla.....Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
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omg great win for the redsox tonight. Im shocked they won both road games.
Manny vs. Red Sox would be so sick.
thisQuote:
Originally Posted by UG
also nice new old avatar george.
Although it's not looking good now, I've been rooting for the white sox. I'd really love to see griffey win it all before he retires.
Also rooting for the cubs because of piniella.
I obv pick the wrong teams.
Haha, K-Rod got fucked by the Red Sox in the 9th inning AGAIN. I hate that asshole. He celebrated like he won the World Series when he TIED the saves record this year. HAHA K-ROD SUCK IT!Quote:
Originally Posted by Trikflow77
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Originally Posted by Silly String
p.s. that's me when the royals were cool
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lol we've been fans for years
dam the 80s were pimpinQuote:
Originally Posted by Triptanes
zook: i'm not from philly, born like an hour or so away though. saw tons of phils games growing up. love them, possibly more than the eagles. cried when i was 7 and mitch williams gave up the hr in game six to carter, etc.
i mean, bullpen/lineup=nuts for the phillies.
however, i do agree with the starting pitching being scary. hamels is awesome, but yeah, big workload this year. if they can only pitch him once in the series, and somehow the dodgers/cubs can play a 5 game series, that'd be dope. i'm pretty sure it's gonna be over after today. i love jamie moyer though. dude is going on 100 years old, can't throw over 80, and somehow is 16-7. that is definitely due in part to run support.
brett myers...if i knew there was some way we could get the brett myers who lowered his ERA by 2 full runs in that two month stretch i'd feel awesome. or we can get the guy who got absolutely rocked after his complete game in sept.
obviously we're gonna need a few things to fall our way to go the distance, but even if we don't this year, we're just a starting pitcher away from it. now keeping everyone else in the process...is another subject.
Just messing with you b/c most Philly fans are so pessimistic. Where'd you grow up? I was born in Philly but only lived there until I was 4. I grew up in Harrisburg, about two hours west. Apparently I went to some games at the Vet before we moved but I was so young I don't really remember them, besides vague memories of the Phanatic. I do remember my dad taking me an '83 WS game vs. the Orioles (I was 7), which was cool, but they lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by dthorne04
Yeah, there's a ton of luck in baseball, just like any sport. Even a team with a 5% edge will lose a 7-game series ~40% of the time. But this actually gives me hope since I think the Phils would be inferior to any AL team they might face in the WS.Quote:
Originally Posted by dthorne04
I agree they need to pick up a #2 or 3 starter, but there just aren't many around. They should only lose Burrell, which is fine, he isn't worth the kind of money he'll get offered.
Would be sweet if they can close it out today and give Cole another 6 days rest between starts!
i was born in lancaster (awful place to grow up), moved to near jim thorpe when i was 10, and moved out west recently. i'm def. glad i didn't live in philly however. :P
baseball is such a streaky fucking game, which is kind of one of the reasons i enjoy it. the '93 team was a goddamn trainwreck, but they had momentum and chemistry (so underrated), and were a helluva good time to watch. kevin stocker, mickey morandini, dykstra, daulton, milt thompson, schilling. ah, such memories.
as it pertains to #2/#3 starter, i really thought freddy garcia was going to be it. oh how wrong i was. and of course now gavin floyd finally has a good season, when he would be a perfect fit for the phils...sigh. hamels/floyd/myers/moyer would be niceee.
bosox back to back years
Woot, get out the brooms.....go Dodgers.
The ninth innning of the Brewers/Phillies game was pretty wild. Brewers making it interesting.
So much for the Phils lineup/bullpen being the nuts lol. Can't believe Manuel's starting Blanton today. TERRIBLE move. They really want to win this game to avoid facing CC in a potential Game 5, why not pitch Hamels on 3-days rest? Then Myers could go on 4 days rest in Game 5, if necessary.
Pitching on 3-days rest is tough to do, and usually doesn't work out in the pitchers favor anyway (look at history). What CC Sabathia is doing is absolutely amazing, throwing so well, so many times, on short rest. I don't think he'll keep it up, so even if he does come back for Game 5, I think the Phils will take this (if they don't win it in four).Quote:
Originally Posted by zook
Major league pitchers are prima donnas. I used to pitch on no days rest all the time in middle school.Quote:
Originally Posted by UG
lol, totally the same, good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by zook
:D
yeah my freshman year i played in a simulated mlb league, we played 162 games and i pitched back to back games all the time. We were only allowed to pitch 15 innings a week, but that is just as much or more than most mlb starters pitch. Hell nolan ryan would constantly thow 150+ pitches a game most of his career and he held up just fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by zook
hm. time to finish this today imo.
boom, nice meatball suppan
yesssssssss
long way to go though, I told my gf (like she cares lol) before the game that Blanton needs at least 6 runs for me to feel comfortable, so they're not quite there...
Phils are fine, bye-bye Brewers.
p.s. you guys are retarded for thinking pitching on 3-days rest is no big deal and comparing it to little league. just look at the stats on guys that throw on 3-days rest, it usually doesn't work. these guys are the best in the world at what they do and usually pitching on short rest is bad. that said, what CC Sabathia has done over the last month is beyond amazing. if I had a vote he'd be Cy Young *and* MVP in the National League, he's a fucking stud.
the reason it doesn't work isn't because they can not do it, it is because they are conditioned and trained to work on 4+ days rest from the time they enter the system. It would take years for a mlb club to have a 4 man starting rotation, they would have to start in the farm system and work it in slowly. I wouldnt be suprised if an aggressive club like tampa or arizona did something like this in the near future.Quote:
Originally Posted by UG
I know what you're saying. I still play men's league baseball and our best pitcher throws all the time (he tops out at 91-92). Last year he threw 30 innings in 7 days (four starts in 7 days). the guy is a machine, but he's trained himself to be that way (he runs a baseball academy, he throws everyday and works out all day everyday with his clients). so I agree that maybe you could train yourself to do this every three days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trikflow77
that said, major league pitchers throw hard and put a lot of wear and tear on their bodies. human bodies just aren't made to be under that stress and be able to bounce back and be the same. could most pitchers go on 3-days rest, and do it quite often? yeah, their bodies would allow it, and they could probably throw just as hard but they'd lack effectiveness. they'd miss spots, not have as much movement, etc. what you may fail to realize, too, is that they're facing major league hitters, guys that are beyond good at what they do. if a pitcher is somewhat tired or fatigued, doesn't have the zip on his fastball, doesn't have the movement he normally has, for the entire game, or even for only 5-6 pitches per game......he will get fucking killed.
I agree, as does all of the ML, which is why they have 5 man rotations. Pitchers before our time pitched on 2-3 day rest all the time and held up, but the competition now is just at a different level. But i don't think people should be amazed that a pitcher can throw effectively every once and a while on 3 days rest. CC on the other hand should get credit, minus the playoff game he pitched great time after time on 3 days.Quote:
Originally Posted by UG
I think people underestimate the amount of stress that a pro level pitcher is placing on his body... tendons, ligaments, muscles, etc... plus they have to do it over a full season, year after year.
Even in the short term, the history of pitching on 3 days rest is well documented... and it's not pretty. I don't have the exact stats on hand, but I just know it's bad. And figure that guys who pitch on 3 days rest are usually doing it because they are a great pitcher.
And lol at comparing what you did in middle school to the major leagues... how fast do kids throw in middle school?
Anyway, something I'm surprised that's never been tried.. instead of the typical 4-5 man rotation (and in this era, pretty much 5 exclusively), have a whole slew of pitchers that throw 1-3 innings, pitching at least every other game... or something like that.
the slew of pitchers thing will never happen, starting pitchers get into groves and yanking them after 2 or 3 innings (the toughest to get through) is insane. I do think a team or two should think about a 4 man rotation though, but it would take time to work it into a mlb club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukie
I don't think it's going to happen either, but the idea is that you'd form your roster based on the idea that your pitchers would ideally never be pitching more than 2-3 innings, and that batters would never get into a groove because they'd never face any given pitcher more than once in the same game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trikflow77
kind of a wacky idea, I'm not saying ideal, just intriguing (at least to me).
Maybe the "pitch guys 2-3 innings every few days" thing will catch on someday. I mean, crap, look at how the role of the reliever and the closer has changed over the last twenty-five years. Nobody could have seen that 30-40 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trikflow77
I do agree with trikflow, though, that pitchers need time to "settle in." I've seen it at every level, pitchers sometimes need an inning or two to get comfortable with what they're doing.
Maybe things will change, but I don't think any MLB team will go to a 4-man rotation again. People are scared to over-work pitchers and with the money that is paid to these guys nobody would ever risk it. Plus, pitchers would probably be thinking long-term and not want to do it because they'd miss out on future riches....that is why CC Sabathia is the fucking man. dude has $100-150 million on the line and went out there time after time on three days rest, and he SHOVED IT, made dudes/teams look silly. goddamn he's awesome.
yeah he's an animal, and hey, the indians got a couple minor league prospects for him :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by UG
I think it would be in intriguing from an ownership standpoint, you wouldn't have to pay pitchers nearly as much. Pitchers are getting paid more and more for mediocre results, and th 2-3 inning idea would curb the overpayments. I dont think it would pan out in practice though.
Lukie & UG: I was a pretty good middle school pitcher.
My point was just that the Phillies had a choice between pitching their ace (Hamels) on 3 days rest or a guy who was 9-13 with an ERA over 4.3 (Blanton). If there's ever a time to pitch your ace on 3 days rest it's the postseason, and if they lost today they would have faced CC on full rest on Tuesday. Apparently Manuel didn't even consider it b/c Hamels pitched a lot of innings this year and has never pitched on 3 days rest. Obviously it worked out well today (wooooooooot) and Blanton pitched out of his mind but I think Manuel's should reconsider pitching Hamels on 3 days rest in the NLCS or WS.
Oh yeah, PHILLIES WON THEIR FIRST POSTSEASON SERIES SINCE '93 WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
dying to see K-Rod give up a game-winner here...
triple post!
i played for about 15 years or so, in high school i was a captain, first-team all conference, offensive player of the year, etc. after that year i played in a very serious wooden bat league with a lot of D1 college players and some former minor leaguers.. for being the youngest player in the league I was still a starter and more than held my own. quitting baseball to do affiliate marketing was one of the poorer decisions in my life, but oh well.Quote:
Originally Posted by zook
i pitched for a long time too before moving exlusively to center field, i'm just saying, that major leaguers are in a whole different category. they are throwing so hard and literally pushing their bodies to the absolute limit. it's a lot different than middle school, high school, or even college baseball.
This needs to be repeated. MLB pitchers get hurt so much more now than in the early 1900's because they are taught to throw with much more violence. Their bodies are pushed to the limit. How many times do you see a middle school kid NEED to ice his arm down after throwing 2 games in a day at a tournament. Hell at that age it wouldn't be responsible to teach a kid to throw as hard as he possibly could.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukie
:facepalm:
http://www.sarcasmdetector.com
PHILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLIES. Still in disbelief. It's been 15 fucking years.
me too, but they'll probably get swept by the DodgersQuote:
Originally Posted by dthorne04
spoken like a true Philly fan, lolQuote:
Originally Posted by zook
It's going to be in AL winner this year. I want the sox to win so badly but if they don't the rays winning is good for baseball in general.
Sox - Phillies WS, book it.
Hard to believe game 1 in a best of seven could be a must win, but if Cole Hamels doesn't lock down game 1 then the Phils are in for a short ride to Tee-timesville. Luckily he has been lights out lately and I expect the lanky lefty to best the Dodgers by allowing only a run or two.
I really really really want to see Manny/Torre/Nomar(even though he's not starting) come back and crush the Red Sox in the WS.
Edit: Derek Lowe too.
what time is game:1
looks like a virus
Yeah it is.
i meant to say thankyou
CMON PHILS
ship it.
Great game, I think it's going to go seven.
GO SOX
go sox.
I love Ryan Howard but when will he fucking realize that they aren't going to throw him strikes? Jesus, he's had like three strikes thrown to him in 5 postseason games but he still fucking swings every time.