100NL, QQ facing river decision vs a regular

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10-05-2008, 05:46 PM
pokerfan

100NL, QQ facing river decision vs a regular

villain is a decent multitabling regular running 14/11/3. Is there any 3 street value for my QQ on the river? c/c, c/f or b/f ??
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($100.50)
SB ($98.50)
BB ($169.55)
Hero (UTG) ($98.50)
UTG+1 ($98.50)
MP1 ($48.70)
MP2 ($199.60)
CO ($89)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif
Hero raises to $4, UTG+1 calls $4, 1 fold, MP2 calls $4, 1 fold, Button calls $4, 2 folds

Flop: ($17.50) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (4 players)
Hero bets $12, 2 folds, Button calls $12

Turn: ($41.50) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $26, Button calls $26

River: ($93.50) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero ??
10-05-2008, 05:51 PM
Fnord

Any history between you? Any gameflow information?
10-05-2008, 05:53 PM
pokerfan

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Originally Posted by Fnord

Any history between you? Any gameflow information?

no history, i just knew he raised a lot preflop. We were both multitabling at the moment.
10-05-2008, 06:00 PM
Fnord

c/f and shove are the two lines I'd consider. Probably c/f.
10-05-2008, 06:15 PM
badgers

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Originally Posted by pokerfan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Any history between you? Any gameflow information?

no history, i just knew he raised a lot preflop. We were both multitabling at the moment.

since when was 11% pfr known as raising a lot?
10-05-2008, 06:25 PM
bigred

I like C/F on this.
10-05-2008, 06:37 PM
ATOTHEC101

I check call a decent river bet.
10-05-2008, 06:46 PM
Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101

I check call a decent river bet.

Why do you think he's betting a worse hand? bet - bet - check SCREAMS I HAVE SHOWDOWN VALUE. Also "TAggs" particulary the full ring nit sub-species don't value bet worse hands here often enough.
10-05-2008, 06:52 PM
bigred

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Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101

I check call a decent river bet.

Why do you think he's betting a worse hand? bet - bet - check SCREAMS I HAVE SHOWDOWN VALUE. Also "TAggs" particulary the full ring nit sub-species don't value bet worse hands here often enough.

Agreed. Most our very happy to check behind when checked to.
10-05-2008, 07:02 PM
ATOTHEC101

I wasnt really thinking along the lines that hed value bet worse, but rather hed turn his missed draw into a bluff. Reading the villains description, i.e. taggy multitabling reg, maybe i was hasty in just saying check call, against a donkish player it would be different but against this guy I guess check/fold to a decent bet is the best line.
10-05-2008, 08:10 PM
pokerfan

so we shove vs a donkish player and c/f vs a mulitabling regular, right?
I dont think i'd c/c a big river bet from a decent TA regular when the pot is massive already.
10-06-2008, 12:07 AM
Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101

I wasnt really thinking along the lines that hed value bet worse, but rather hed turn his missed draw into a bluff.

How much of his range has a draw here? How often is he playing his draw faster on the flop? How often is he bruffing the river into a hand that probably has showdown value? The union of those 3 events is pretty low.
10-06-2008, 09:06 AM
wakeup

genius posts fnord, good analysis
10-06-2008, 11:40 AM
nutsinho

fnord good posts. even players without much of a clue arent going to bluff much when turn and river come {innocuous board pair, offsuit deuce}