QQ 50nl .....best flop line?

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10-08-2008, 10:21 AM
frosst

QQ 50nl .....best flop line?

is it better to check the flop? opp is running 9/8/3.7 over 429 hands. and yes i know, after his raise i should've folded.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (3 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

Button ($63.45)
SB ($50.25)
Hero (BB) ($110.10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif
Button calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3, Button calls $2.50

Flop: ($6.25) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $5, Button raises to $21.25, Hero raises to $107.10 (All-In), Button calls $39.20 (All-In)

Total pot: $127.15 | Rake: $1
10-08-2008, 11:19 AM
kmind

Yeah check flop. As played mehhh yeah fold
10-08-2008, 01:08 PM
Galapogos

Raise more preflop. And weird spot. With his stats what have you seen him limp with? His preflop play is odd, but yeah fold to his flop raise I think.
10-08-2008, 01:16 PM
nutsinho

i like bet folding the flop. preflop is fine, why would he raise to more than 6x?
10-08-2008, 01:22 PM
cardsman1992

I see nothing wrong with bet/fold myself.
10-08-2008, 02:08 PM
griffey24

This flop is disaster central.

b/fooooooooooold
10-08-2008, 02:19 PM
Galapogos

Quote:

Originally Posted by nutsinho

i like bet folding the flop. preflop is fine, why would he raise to more than 6x?

lol, I'm dumb, looked at stack sizes and automatically thought it was 100NL. Bad "read" on my part. Ba-dum PShhhh!
10-08-2008, 08:40 PM
mixchange

Pf fine, B/F flop.

Think about his limp calling range -- PP's, Sc's, at best you are up against pair+draw
his limp/call range is hit hard
10-09-2008, 02:13 AM
minSim

Should we be c/c-ing hands?
If so, what's the best hand we're doing it with?

In the heat of the moment I probably b/s this myself as well. My thinking would be: we have blockers to some of villains (combo)draws and we have some outs when we're behind. There are so much possible draws out there.

But on the other hand, we're never far ahead when all the money goes in, so if others say b/f I guess that's probably best.
It feels like with the blockers and a decent hand I don't want to fold.
10-09-2008, 02:27 AM
will641

Quote:

Originally Posted by minSim

Should we be c/c-ing hands?
If so, what's the best hand we're doing it with?

c/c seems pretty silly to me.
10-09-2008, 03:10 AM
Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by will641

c/c seems pretty silly to me.

Why? We have a goodish hand and that flop hit his range flat in the chest.
10-09-2008, 09:24 AM
nutsinho

i might check call with JJ...
10-09-2008, 09:47 AM
minSim

Quote:

Originally Posted by nutsinho

i might check call with JJ...

I'm going to think hard about your comments in this thread (b/f QQ, might c/c JJ.), because you're probably right and I don't understand it yet.

What's the worst made hand you b/shove?
10-09-2008, 06:02 PM
frosst

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by will641

c/c seems pretty silly to me.

Why? We have a goodish hand and that flop hit his range flat in the chest.

by his stats, i'm expecting him to play his cards face up, even this short handed. the question is how often is he 3 betting with draws? if he doesn't very often, i think b/folding is good. but if he's aggressive with his draws, then wouldn't c/c'ing be better, as we're limiting the size of the pot on the turn, as well as getting another semi-bluff on that street from him a high % of the time?
10-09-2008, 06:09 PM
JinxT4

Quote:

Originally Posted by minSim

Quote:

Originally Posted by nutsinho

i might check call with JJ...

I'm going to think hard about your comments in this thread (b/f QQ, might c/c JJ.), because you're probably right and I don't understand it yet.

B/c JJ has 8-10 outs against hands we're behind, as opposed to QQ only having 4-6 outs (vs sets at least)?
10-10-2008, 04:25 AM
mixchange

Quote:

Originally Posted by minSim

Quote:

Originally Posted by nutsinho

i might check call with JJ...

I'm going to think hard about your comments in this thread (b/f QQ, might c/c JJ.), because you're probably right and I don't understand it yet.

What's the worst made hand you b/shove?

just think more about his hand and less about yours

ask yourself, when villain limp calls what is his range? What can we possibly get value from? Are we ever ahead if he raises, if so to what, and what % are we actually ahead?