At a total loss on how to play this flop

Cold call is from a TAggy sort who isn't shy about putting lots of money into the pot if he has or can take the betting lead. UTG is FoS, positionally aware (that I should give him credit for a hand lolz) and probably chasing losses.

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
PokerStars
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($200.00)
Hero ($378.15)
BTN ($425.70)
SB ($471.30)
BB ($952.85)

Pre-flop: ($3, 5 players) Hero is CO :3s: :as:
UTG raises to $6, Hero raises to $20, BTN calls $20, 2 folds, UTG folds

Flop: :8s: :3c: :ad: ($49, 2 players)
Hero ????

28. what happens next?

Yeah I'd bet because all aces are going to call you or raise, and all non aces are folding, but you ain't getting value of them anyway.

Yeah got to Cbet there. What happened next?

I can't see how this is anything other than bet til all the money is in the middle. The only hand you are afraid of is AA and there is only 1 combination of that hand. Have you ever seen villain 4bet cold with any hands? What about cold call a 3bet? How much have you been 3betting?
In the absence of a read, I think I plan to get as much value from AK as possible if you think he'll overplay his 1 pair hand without the initiative.

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Originally Posted by Fnord

Cold call is from a TAggy sort who isn't shy about putting lots of money into the pot if he has or can take the betting lead.

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let him take the lead. We're ahead of his range I'd say and not really afraid of him outdrawing us on this board...

Standard would be just a bet, but I can see merit in checking here against this opponent if he's willing to put more money in betting himself, then calling down

If he's the type that would put you on KK/QQ if you c/c here and then try bombing you off it on later streets, then I don't mind c/c here with any good Ax sometimes.

IF he's more likely to bluff raise spazz out, then I'd just lead. I'd probably lead here mostly.

Isn't this like QQ or such a pretty absurd % of the time?

If we're betting I like nutsinho's bet sizing, but given your read a check proabably gets us more value.

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Originally Posted by Fnord

Isn't this like QQ or such a pretty absurd % of the time?

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yeah exactly. you guys saying check really think this guy is just going to go bombs away for 3 streets with a hand like QQ here to get us off KK if we check? I don't think this is the case, and I think he will at least call a bet especially if its only like half pot or so. I think checking the turn might be a viable option since you would be putting heaps of pressure on tt-qq if you bet both the flop and turn, he will vtown himself with ak, and now that the pot is a bunch bigger he does have more incentive to spazz out with a hand w/ showdown value if he thinks he has large fold equity vs slightly better hands.

Alternatively I think we could just bet like 1/3 to 1/4 pot on every street because his range is so weak and the board yields such a WA/WB scenario. I guess there are certain situations where we have a nut hand but do best to try to get less than all the money in and this looks like it is one of them.
Also I would like to throw in that if we got raised on the flop I think its a clear call, not reraise. I dont think hes super likely to raise AK this deep so he probably either has a set or is trying to outplay us if he raises our flop lead. If he does raise and try to get a bunch of money in with AK its not like failing to 3bet is going to play out to be a big error anyway.

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Originally Posted by BigPapi

let him take the lead. We're ahead of his range I'd say and not really afraid of him outdrawing us on this board...

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If Im Fnord I probably have a reasonably aggressive image and it sounds like this guy is thinking enough to find a check massively suspicious. I dont see him betting less than TP if we check here.

Id lead and keep betting until its in.

Yeah, when in doubt I bet the good stuff 'cuz it never can be too much of a mistake. He folded. Really odd spot.

I like ghey betting if that's your standard in 3bet pots on dry boards

He's not folding QQ to one bet on the flop, and thats the best chance we have of winning two bets.

Yea for sure cbet around 32.. He's not gonna do the betting for you with TT-KK... Then u can prolly check turn and vbet river.

Also if he happens to have AQ, AK, u get the money in pretty fast by cbetting

kind of a shitty spot to extract since he almost always has TT-QQ

he s unlikely to turn those hands into a bluff so ask yourself which streets he s most likely to calldown on

I'd just bet the flop and not expect to get more value after that