About checking a turn and raising rivers

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11-02-2008, 02:03 PM
minSim

About checking a turn and raising rivers

13/12/9.0 over 93 hands, 3bet 9% fwiw.
Any comments about my turn check?
Should I raise river? Can I bluff raise it lightly when I come here without a good hand?

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NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer Game#21695206875

SB ($41.10)
BB ($31.10)
UTG ($25.35)
Hero ($26)
BTN ($25)

Dealt to Hero A:club:A:heart:
fold, Hero raises to $0.85, fold, call, fold,

FLOP ($1.95) K:club:4:diamond:K:heart:
check, Hero bets $1.25, SB calls $1.25,

TURN ($4.45) K:club:4:diamond:K:heart:9:diamond:
check, check,

RIVER ($4.45) K:club:4:diamond:K:heart:9:diamond:Q:spade:
SB bets $2.50, Hero ?
11-02-2008, 02:58 PM
thizzSantaCruz

if you think hes a big station and will call this with a queen then you can raise but what hands with a queen in it call the flop? He is probably not calling a raise with JJ, TT or anything like that. I would just call here, maybe throwing in a min raise and folding to a 3 bet is good if he has shown some stationy tenancies in spots like this.
11-02-2008, 03:32 PM
Da GOAT

i dont see any other option besides just call.
11-02-2008, 03:48 PM
nutsinho

i dont really get why you would want to raise here at all. i question your hand reading if you think he makes a decent sized value bet here with many pocket pairs.
11-02-2008, 11:07 PM
BigLRIP

I would try to get 3 streets of value instead of checking the turn.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nutsinho

i question your hand reading if you think he makes a decent sized value bet here with many pocket pairs.

really? to me that seems to be the majority of his range to be honest...
11-03-2008, 01:41 AM
nutsinho

which unimproved pocket pairs would you bet this river with, and what would you expect to get looked up by? TT and JJ seem like the only sane holdings to me that could be worse going for value, since they should expect us to have 9x sometimes, and it is very speculative to assume that these hands would be bet/calling the river.
11-03-2008, 01:42 AM
nutsinho

oh also it is v important that he bet like 3/4 pot, not some gheybet
11-03-2008, 03:40 AM
minSim

Quote:

Originally Posted by nutsinho

i dont really get why you would want to raise here at all. i question your hand reading if you think he makes a decent sized value bet here with many pocket pairs.

I'm glad I called than.
But really, I couldn't make much out of villains river bet. I'm not sure a K is in his range, and besides that JJ/TT seems a bit too thin at 25NL as well.
11-03-2008, 05:48 PM
dsaxton

Yeah, definitely just call. It's a situation where you should probably call even if you're a monster favorite against his betting range, because your hand sucks against his bet-calling range.