nl10 AA question

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11-05-2008, 10:34 AM
cag8f

nl10 AA question

This was the villain's 2nd hand. The previous hand he sat down UTG+1 and posted BB, and open minraised, which took it down preflop. A flat call here will commit me to the pot, so I'm shoving or folding. Am I paying off a set here? Forgive me if this is standard. I'm a usual SNG player, and in those I'm shoving every time.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (MP3) ($9.65)
CO ($13.95)
Button ($13.50)
SB ($1.90)
BB ($12.75)
UTG ($10.15)
UTG+1 ($2.50)
MP1 ($2)
MP2 ($2.40)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif
UTG raises to $0.20, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.60, 4 folds, UTG calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.35) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG bets $0.10, Hero raises to $1, UTG calls $0.90

Turn: ($3.35) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
UTG bets $3.35, [color=#CC3333] Hero???
11-05-2008, 10:49 AM
WillburForce

shove. all day, every day.
11-05-2008, 11:45 AM
badgers

bet bigger on all streets as played shove
11-07-2008, 06:49 PM
TotalPanic

shove 100%
11-07-2008, 07:21 PM

:shipit:
11-07-2008, 10:45 PM
jyms

punish donking. You dont want to let them think this is allowed. Ship more on the flop and all you can eat on the turn.
11-08-2008, 10:28 AM
kb coolman

Shove.
11-08-2008, 10:30 AM
a500lbgorilla

"This was the villain's 2nd hand. The previous hand he sat down UTG+1 and posted BB, and open minraised"

haha! I think a better discussion is what is the weakest hand we should shove for value here.

67, imo
11-08-2008, 11:55 AM
Robb

Quote:

Originally Posted by WillburForce

shove. all day, every day.

^^^ this

btw wilbur i like the new avatar - is that Aston Villa kit - there's so little on it's hard to tell :P
11-08-2008, 01:21 PM
sarbox68

Shove. You will pay off sets but less times than you win with your AA.
11-08-2008, 01:32 PM
a500lbgorilla

Weakest hand you shove for value: go!
11-08-2008, 02:03 PM

A6 for me, for piece of mind so I'm not getting it in against a retarded hand like Q6
11-08-2008, 02:30 PM
Robb

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarbox68

Shove. You will pay off sets but less times than you win with your AA.

How're things sarbox? Haven't seen you in here much lately. Runnin' good in life and pokah, I hope.
11-08-2008, 02:58 PM
speedcake

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robb

Quote:

Originally Posted by WillburForce

shove. all day, every day.

^^^ this

btw wilbur i like the new avatar - is that Aston Villa kit - there's so little on it's hard to tell :P

I'm pretty sure it is, can't be 100% positive though. I'll study it a while longer and report results forthwith...
11-08-2008, 03:09 PM
a500lbgorilla

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

A6 for me, for piece of mind so I'm not getting it in against a retarded hand like Q6

see! this is good! people can't hide behind the obvious answer of stacking off with AA. Come on you forum nits, post!
11-08-2008, 03:51 PM
sarbox68

Quote:

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

A6 for me, for piece of mind so I'm not getting it in against a retarded hand like Q6

see! this is good! people can't hide behind the obvious answer of stacking off with AA. Come on you forum nits, post!

7c8c maybe, Ac4c maybe... AQ prolly... AcKc. I'm hungover so this prolly isn'r esp. brilliant... :shock:

Wat up Robb? Sat with you at a couple of UB tables last weekend I think. Life and poker all good... been working like a dog but meh... gotta do what u gotta do :) Hope you're doing well!!
11-08-2008, 06:21 PM
tom

man I'm probably going with something more like TT and some unpaired clubs
11-08-2008, 06:28 PM
a500lbgorilla

draws dont count fish!
11-08-2008, 06:34 PM
sarbox68

Quote:

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

draws dont count fish!

lolz... lame, but it made me laugh....

oh, and what was the question again....?
11-08-2008, 06:44 PM
a500lbgorilla

worst hand you shove for value
11-08-2008, 06:52 PM
Robb

4x
11-08-2008, 06:58 PM
sarbox68

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robb

4x

I don't think 'rilla's counting draws with +equity as value....

I'm not gonna argue the point 'cause I'm prolly wrong anyway and wtf do I know? :shock:
11-08-2008, 07:03 PM
Robb

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarbox68

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robb

4x

I don't think 'rilla's counting draws with +equity as value....

I'm not gonna argue the point 'cause I'm prolly wrong anyway and wtf do I know? :shock:

I was jk :shock: :shock: :shock:

3 shocks for sarbox :shock:
11-08-2008, 07:03 PM
Robb

Edit: got double-posted.
11-08-2008, 07:09 PM
a500lbgorilla

SHOCK
11-08-2008, 07:32 PM
theone09

shove completly.
11-08-2008, 09:16 PM
AFchung

whoo easiest snap shove ever. queen of clubs is such a blank compared to the flop play
11-10-2008, 09:16 PM
Jovar

Let's guess what he had.
He bet UTG and called raise pf. TT-QQ/AQ-AK
He bet and called raise on flop. TT-QQ
He bets big on turn. QQ
If he is lose he might have KQ/AQ, and bet and called the flop with air. Without any reads I would not assume that though. If he is a maniac he might have anything between 72-AA and there is no point doing anything but shoving. Though you might need some reads or stats on this guy to make a profitable decision I would usually fold here if I did not have any.
11-11-2008, 08:31 PM
a500lbgorilla

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jovar

Let's guess what he had.
He bet UTG and called raise pf. TT-QQ/AQ-AK
He bet and called raise on flop. TT-QQ
He bets big on turn. QQ
If he is lose he might have KQ/AQ, and bet and called the flop with air. Without any reads I would not assume that though. If he is a maniac he might have anything between 72-AA and there is no point doing anything but shoving. Though you might need some reads or stats on this guy to make a profitable decision I would usually fold here if I did not have any.

We have a read that the guy is a maniac which really fits the line he takes post flop. Anyone who posts UTG+1 and minraises, then minraises the next hand and takes this line is liable to show up with anything. So your UTG range is way too tight, your flop range in hilariously tight and your turn range is wrong.
11-11-2008, 09:31 PM
AFchung

they'll probably be showing up here with AQ so often here
11-11-2008, 09:33 PM
a500lbgorilla

He's gonna show up with Q3 way more than AQ, but that wouldn't stop me from shoving 77 gleefully
11-12-2008, 06:46 AM
Pelion

I actually think his range is skewed more towards Qx and stone cold bluffs here so I think id call and hopefully have the chance of calling another bluff on the river.
11-12-2008, 07:34 AM
WillburForce

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robb

Quote:

Originally Posted by WillburForce

shove. all day, every day.

^^^ this

btw wilbur i like the new avatar - is that Aston Villa kit - there's so little on it's hard to tell :P

wish I was a Villa fan at the moment.....(I think you were joking...?)