2/4 - Weird hand, 3bet pot 160bb deep

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11-09-2008, 07:46 PM
zook

2/4 - Weird hand, 3bet pot 160bb deep

MP is table fish, frequent limp/caller and folder to cbets. So it's becoming a battle to isolate and some of the regs are taking advantage of this by 3betting iso raises. CO is a reg running 24/20/3.3 but we have no history. My only note is that he 3barrel bluffed another reg and got called down. I've never seen him donkbet and his stats show he only does it 8%.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($2451.80)
MP ($492.20)
CO ($802.50)
Hero (Button) ($650.80)
SB ($400)
BB ($442)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif
1 fold, MP calls $4, CO raises to $18, Hero raises to $60, 3 folds, CO calls $42

Flop: ($130) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
CO bets $99, Hero calls $99

Turn: ($328) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
CO bets $244, Hero... (~$490 behind)
11-09-2008, 08:06 PM
meeloche

Fold.

I don't think he expects you to cbet this flop and the majority of his range is looking to b3b on the flop imo.
11-09-2008, 09:21 PM
griffey24

This is really really weird. I can't imagine him being that strong at all to donk lead here. Do you think he would have 5x in his range?

I'm really tempted to ship this turn. I feel like clubs makes up a big part of his donking range. I really don't know honestly... how bad is flatting and folding a club river?
11-10-2008, 04:11 AM
nutsinho

i would definitely jam here
11-10-2008, 10:02 AM
Irisheyes

Quote:

Originally Posted by nutsinho

i would definitely jam here

wow yeah I would definitely be super suspicious here and really not want to fold but I would have never jammed though but since you say it it makes perfect sense.
11-10-2008, 11:30 AM
griffey24

Yah I mean I really think this turn decision is between calling or jamming and like never folding.

Hands that actually beat us like 99/TT that were maybe protecting or some crap on flop, will almost always check this turn I feel like, once we call flop.

Since he's priced to call with his clubs here (KQ,QJ,T9 of clubs, which I think he has like >90% of the time he takes this dumb line) on the turn, we should be shipping. If it's a bit deeper and he might fold his draws, then its closer to call/ship I think.
11-10-2008, 12:05 PM
nutsinho

right theres only like a minraise left so you pretty much have to make the decision now. it seems like he's never leading a small overpair twice here and would almost always c/r this texture with a set. Also his sizing makes me extremely incredulous.
11-10-2008, 04:55 PM
meeloche

So I take it it's a mistake to be giving leads on coordinated boards credit?
11-10-2008, 06:02 PM
IowaSkinsFan

Quote:

Originally Posted by meeloche

So I take it it's a mistake to be giving leads on coordinated boards credit?

Look at the turn, and look what he did.

I really dont like preflop.
11-10-2008, 06:31 PM
Irisheyes

Quote:

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

I really dont like preflop.

How come?
11-10-2008, 08:09 PM
griffey24

Quote:

Originally Posted by meeloche

So I take it it's a mistake to be giving leads on coordinated boards credit?

I don't even think its the fact that its coordinated or not. Its just the fact that he's leading in general in a 3bet pot. Its just not something that happens often, and its usually just air/draw and rarely ever a strong hand.

Just try to think of the last time you donk lead a monster in a 3bet pot!
11-12-2008, 07:25 PM
zook

Just thought I would post results b/c it shows how smart nutsinho and griffey are... I jammed, villain timed down a little and called with Tc8c, I dodged some outs.