NL 50 AA deepstacked 200BB

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11-13-2008, 09:58 PM

NL 50 AA deepstacked 200BB

Villain is a nit, at the turn his range should have been JJ+

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 ($150.85)
MP1 ($34.45)
MP2 ($19.35)
CO ($95.95)
Button ($13.75)
Hero (SB) ($101)
BB ($9.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif
1 fold, MP1 calls $0.50, 1 fold, CO raises to $2.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $7.75, 2 folds, CO calls $5.50

Flop: ($16.50) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $9, CO calls $9

Turn: ($34.50) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $27, CO calls $27

River: ($88.50) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $57.25 (All-In), CO calls $52.20 (All-In)

Total pot: $192.90 | Rake: $3
11-13-2008, 10:35 PM
nutsinho

oh? so what is the question?
11-13-2008, 10:57 PM

The question is, should I leave tables when I get 200BB since I'll soon be pushed into NL25
11-13-2008, 11:02 PM
pokerfan

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

The question is, should I leave tables when I get 200BB since I'll soon be pushed into NL25

Do you have correct bankroll to play 50NL?? i have the feeling that you might play scared money in 50NL if you tend to leave tables every time your stack hits 200BB :( Dont be result-oriented,dude.
11-13-2008, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokerfan

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

The question is, should I leave tables when I get 200BB since I'll soon be pushed into NL25

Do you have correct bankroll to play 50NL?? i have the feeling that you might play scared money in 50NL if you tend to leave tables every time your stack hits 200BB :( Dont be result-oriented,dude.

I used to, and I've made my goal to stop if my BR reaches $1250 (half way between being rolled for NL25 and NL50)

I realize I'm being results-oriented, but br-wise all that matters is results
is this the wrong forum to discuss these issues?
11-14-2008, 12:06 AM
jyms

just drop down. stressing about BR is no way to play, enjoy and win. Looking at the cashier or HM every 5 hands sucks and makes bad players worse.
11-14-2008, 12:55 AM
swiggidy

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

The question is, should I leave tables when I get 200BB since I'll soon be pushed into NL25

Obviously, if you're marginally rolled for a limit then don't play deep unless the other deepstacks are huge fish, or you have position and a read, or some other good reason.
11-14-2008, 01:36 AM

Another hand I wish I didn't have 140BB:

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 ($51.75)
MP2 ($44.45)
MP3 ($182.75)
CO ($270.05)
Button ($94.25)
SB ($50)
BB ($87)
Hero (UTG) ($71.15)
UTG+1 ($21.15)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif
Hero raises to $1.75, 5 folds, Button calls $1.75, SB calls $1.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($5.75) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4.50, Button calls $4.50, SB calls $4.50

Turn: ($19.25) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $10, Button calls $10, SB calls $10

River: ($49.25) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets $30, 1 fold, Hero calls $30

Total pot: $109.25 | Rake: $3

am I just not used to playing deep? In that case I should get up when I get deepstacked... even if I am rolled for the level
although he didn't actually shove the river
11-14-2008, 07:34 AM
badgers

Re: NL 50 AA deepstacked 200BB

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

Villain is a nit, at the turn his range should have been JJ+

why can't he have 44/66/77?
11-14-2008, 07:35 AM
a500lbgorilla

second hand, my gut reaction was to fire 33 for value on the river and likely crying fold to a raise.
11-14-2008, 07:44 AM
badgers

also something I've noticed is a lot of players tend to like to pay off after they get bad beat. For instance a flush card comes and they think omg the flush came so sick but I HAVE to call even though it's clearly a fold because they feel the need to confirm how badly they run.

For instance the second hand, it as always depends on they player but if he's a reg he's not betting anything worse for value and is almost never bluffing so fold to a river shove ldo. Don't call knowing you're beat and then say "fuck he coolered me". River bet for value is ok if they're donks.
11-14-2008, 07:45 AM
Muzzard

They both seems kinda terribal 200bb deep
11-14-2008, 07:46 AM
badgers

and another thing, by the looks of those stacks you're playing the deep tables on full tilt. Even if you only buy in for $50, if you double it's hardly a surprise when someone has you covered so just avoid the deep tables until you're more comfortable and have settled at 50nl...
11-14-2008, 07:48 AM

I play on deep tables because chinese shortstack fuckers don't play on them

but I could just get up after I doubled up
11-14-2008, 07:50 AM

Re: NL 50 AA deepstacked 200BB

Quote:

Originally Posted by badgers

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

Villain is a nit, at the turn his range should have been JJ+

why can't he have 44/66/77?

nits don't raise 44/66/77
11-14-2008, 07:52 AM
Muzzard

Re: NL 50 AA deepstacked 200BB

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

Quote:

Originally Posted by badgers

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

Villain is a nit, at the turn his range should have been JJ+

why can't he have 44/66/77?

nits don't raise 44/66/77

lol. is he playin 11/2 or something?

You think a 'nit' stacks off 200bbs w/less than 1 pair on this board?
11-14-2008, 07:55 AM
a500lbgorilla

Quote:

Originally Posted by badgers

also something I've noticed is a lot of players tend to like to pay off after they get bad beat. For instance a flush card comes and they think omg the flush came so sick but I HAVE to call even though it's clearly a fold because they feel the need to confirm how badly they run.

For instance the second hand, it as always depends on they player but if he's a reg he's not betting anything worse for value and is almost never bluffing so fold to a river shove ldo. Don't call knowing you're beat and then say "fuck he coolered me". River bet for value is ok if they're donks.

It's that idea that on the flop "this is my pot!" on the turn "this is my pot!" "FCK U TAKIN' MAH POT!"
11-14-2008, 08:33 AM

Re: NL 50 AA deepstacked 200BB

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muzzard

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

Quote:

Originally Posted by badgers

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

Villain is a nit, at the turn his range should have been JJ+

why can't he have 44/66/77?

nits don't raise 44/66/77

lol. is he playin 11/2 or something?

You think a 'nit' stacks off 200bbs w/less than 1 pair on this board?

I was pulling for him to have KK obv
but that's why I posted the hand, should I just check the turn or something
11-14-2008, 08:46 AM
a500lbgorilla

I would bet since nothing is folding and worse hands are checking behind.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

1,100 games 0.031 secs 35,483 games/sec

Board: 6s 4d 7h Jc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.000% 48.00% 02.00% 528 22.00 { AdAs }
Hand 1: 50.000% 48.00% 02.00% 528 22.00 { JJ+, 77-66, 44 }

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

1,364 games 0.005 secs 272,800 games/sec

Board: 6s 4d 7h Jc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 55.279% 53.67% 01.61% 732 22.00 { AdAs }
Hand 1: 44.721% 43.11% 01.61% 588 22.00 { JJ+, 77-44 }
11-14-2008, 10:39 AM
badgers

a nit is not calling a turn bet with QQ and arguably not KK in a 3bet pot deep esp if iopq is a nit.
11-14-2008, 11:22 AM
a500lbgorilla

too many nits in the world. Trying to out cooler each other.
11-14-2008, 11:37 AM
Muzzard

Quote:

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

I would bet since nothing is folding and worse hands are checking behind.

Pretty bad advice imo
11-14-2008, 11:45 AM
paulwright

Deep stack & one pair - its simple. Exercise some pot control by checking one street.
You wont really see 2 good players playing for 200BB stacks without both having monsters...
11-14-2008, 11:47 AM
Deanglow

hand 1 is fine, bet thrice for value
hand 2 check the turn
11-14-2008, 03:30 PM

in hand one I had two pot-sized bets in my stack... I just split them into three smaller bets
11-14-2008, 03:51 PM
a500lbgorilla

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Originally Posted by Muzzard

Quote:

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

I would bet since nothing is folding and worse hands are checking behind.

Pretty bad advice imo

Are the games so bad that opps are trying to out 'top of my range!' the other guy?
11-14-2008, 06:38 PM
a500lbgorilla

Quote:

Originally Posted by badgers

a nit is not calling a turn bet with QQ and arguably not KK in a 3bet pot deep esp if iopq is a nit.

iopq should be barreling a ton in 3 bet pots then.
11-14-2008, 07:15 PM
spoonitnow

Quote:

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Quote:

Originally Posted by badgers

a nit is not calling a turn bet with QQ and arguably not KK in a 3bet pot deep esp if iopq is a nit.

iopq should be barreling a ton in deep 3 bet pots against nits then.
11-14-2008, 08:22 PM
badgers

Quote:

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Quote:

Originally Posted by badgers

a nit is not calling a turn bet with QQ and arguably not KK in a 3bet pot deep esp if iopq is a nit.

iopq should be barreling a ton in 3 bet pots then.

Yes but the likelihood is iopq has not made this adjustment before you even consider the fact that the nit has picked up on iopqs change in style. That sort of history migh tmake this hand ok but as it is t's just pure spew.
11-14-2008, 10:28 PM

is a nit seriously folding KK here
what if I pot flop and pot-shove turn? does he still fold KK then?
11-15-2008, 07:48 AM
badgers

iopq what is your range here? I would say it is AA and maybe JJ, I personally would not hesitate to fold KK 200BB deep unimproved in a 3bet pot vs a straight-forward player and I am far from being a nit.