NL50 TPTK against unknown

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11-16-2008, 12:06 AM

NL50 TPTK against unknown

If I knew this guy was a set miner, I could find a fold here
If I knew this guy was a tard, I could shove here
but he was completely new to the table so I don't know wtf to do

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($50.25)
UTG ($50)
Hero (UTG+1) ($50.75)
MP2 ($59.60)
CO ($76.50)
Button ($77.30)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif
Hero raises to $1.75, 3 folds, SB calls $1.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($4) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4, SB raises to $12.75, Hero?
11-16-2008, 12:18 AM
a500lbgorilla

call
11-16-2008, 02:53 AM
Keilah

on the weekend: call and keep calling
daytime weekdays: fold
other: call flop and fold to more aggression
11-16-2008, 03:06 AM
kmind

Call
11-16-2008, 09:25 AM
poker_pup

I'd fold.
11-16-2008, 09:47 AM
bode

its 6 handed vs a complete unknown with TPTK, a backdoor flush draw & backdoor straight draw, im shoving this pretty quick.
11-16-2008, 11:56 AM
gametight

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Originally Posted by bode

its 6 handed vs a complete unknown with TPTK, a backdoor flush draw & backdoor straight draw, im calling this pretty quick.
11-16-2008, 12:54 PM
Keilah

yah but iopq is new to 50NL so regs can stil be unknowns to him
11-16-2008, 12:59 PM
a500lbgorilla

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keilah

yah but iopq is new to 50NL so regs can stil be unknowns to him

this scratches at the absolutely true answer but iopq can't know nor base his decisions off of this. So you should try to help him find the relatively correct answer!
11-19-2008, 04:06 PM
Parasurama

Hi iopq, I've been playing 100 NL on FullTilt for a few months and this is one of the spots that used to give me trouble. I find that it's best to play conservatively and just call.

If he has a weaker ace he'll most likely slow down on the turn, because he'd expect a worse hand to have folded. If he has a set or two pair, a flush card on the turn can provide a good semi-bluff/bluff opportunity. If there isn't a scare card, he'll bet again and you can fold safely. Full Tilt players at these stakes are generally not good (or bad depending on your point of view) enough to bluff you like this. They are usually pretty tight and a check raise means a lot of strength (but not necessarily stronger than your AK). So, since he's an unknown I suggest that you call and proceed based on his turn action.

Also, though I don't think it's necessary to think this deeply at this level, there is the possibility that he has the same hand as you. I would be very surprised if a lot of 50 NL players on FT 3bet AK from the blinds. You might be able to get him to fold AK later in the hand but probably not on this flop.
11-19-2008, 05:19 PM
bigspenda73

secksy bet pot button, you have a mind of your own or just do whatever Full Tilt tells you to do?
11-19-2008, 05:34 PM

I bet pot because I expect the flush draw to call almost any size so I'll be getting more value
Also, I'm getting more value out of an ace
I also expect people to fold other crap anyway because of the ace
if this was a rainbow flop I'd bet 9/10 pot and hope for an ace to call
11-19-2008, 05:46 PM
a500lbgorilla

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

I bet pot because I expect the flush draw to call almost any size so I'll be getting more value
Also, I'm getting more value out of an ace
I also expect people to fold other crap anyway because of the ace
if this was a rainbow flop I'd bet 9/10 pot and hope for an ace to call

so what do you do in hands where it's not obvious that worse hands can call?
11-19-2008, 07:07 PM
nutsinho

iopq- are you trying to move up in the poker world or just play microstakes? this is relevant because you seem to not be thinking about Shania much when you play which is fine here but you seem like a guy who would like to be playing midstakes at some point.
11-19-2008, 07:10 PM
spoonitnow

Quote:

Originally Posted by nutsinho

iopq- are you trying to move up in the poker world or just play microstakes? this is relevant because you seem to not be thinking about Shania much when you play which is fine here but you seem like a guy who would like to be playing midstakes at some point.

I think iopq is more of a Garth guy if you get my drift.
11-19-2008, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

I bet pot because I expect the flush draw to call almost any size so I'll be getting more value
Also, I'm getting more value out of an ace
I also expect people to fold other crap anyway because of the ace
if this was a rainbow flop I'd bet 9/10 pot and hope for an ace to call

so what do you do in hands where it's not obvious that worse hands can call?

bet 3/4 pot because that's my standard cbet so I'm balancing my 3/4 pot range
11-20-2008, 12:12 AM
BankItDrew

WA/WB
11-20-2008, 12:20 AM
bigspenda73

Quote:

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

WA/WB

NO
11-20-2008, 01:28 AM
BankItDrew

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Quote:

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

WA/WB

NO

YES
call
11-20-2008, 12:10 PM
bigspenda73

NO

what's your def. of wa/wb, having 15% equity when behind and 60% equity when ahead?
11-20-2008, 02:01 PM
BankItDrew

most of the time we are either up against:
set/2 pair
air/weak ace
rarely ace high flush draw >>> only reason to be raising

If you combine the last two, I think the possibilities would add up to no greater than 50%