Really weird KK hand

BN just sat down on a 50bb buy-in. Hasn't done anything really retarded yet.
SB really hasn't gotten out of line over a small sample size. Looks like a pretty standard, boring TAggy sort.

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
PokerStars
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($201.00)
CO ($286.30)
BTN ($100.00)
SB ($300.05)
Hero (BB) ($198.00)

Pre-flop: ($3, 5 players) Hero is BB :kh: :kc:
2 folds, BTN raises to $7, SB raises to $22, Hero calls $20, BTN folds

Flop: :7c: :8h: :as: ($51, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: :jd: ($51, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: :qs: ($51, 2 players)
SB bets $40, Hero folds

Final Pot: $51

SB wins $89 ( won +$27 )
BTN lost -$7.00
Hero lost -$22.00

$26 on turn

I was gonna call a river bet until the Queen came along and fucked over my equity.

ya I'd fold the river as played

Why didn't you bet turn ?

4ball pre? i dont see why we want to get tricky here, and i dont mind taking down a reasonable pot. as played i bet the turn 100% of the time.

This is the perfect spot to cold 4bet pre and have it look bluffy. If it gets too much credit, then I'd just start doing it more with air, as opposed to start flatting KK here.

As played, I like a turn bet, and the river fold is good.

Standard play is to 4-bet. I went with the flat because I might get the button to do something really stupid and having position on the SB helps deal with having a well defined hand with lots of money behind.

I really want to 4 bet pre, I think it's a mistake not to. Post flop, i might bet the turn and i would fold the river.

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Originally Posted by Fnord

Standard play is to 4-bet. I went with the flat because I might get the button to do something really stupid and having position on the SB helps deal with having a well defined hand with lots of money behind.

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I like that thought process on the flat vs a 4bet pre

4bet pre 100% of the time and as played bet flop for value

I think you make him make a bigger mistake with a slightly bigger than min4bet, ppl hattte folding to it and do stupid shit. I wouldn't do it vs. anyone I had any history with but this situation is versus an unknown

I like your line with aces if you are new to the table or if no blind wars have happened yet



nuts, do you 4bet 100% pre with aces in this spot also?

4bet pre obv

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Originally Posted by mixchange

nuts, do you 4bet 100% pre with aces in this spot also?

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You need a crazier image.

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Originally Posted by Fnord

Standard play is to 4-bet. I went with the flat because I might get the button to usuallly flat behind with any decent hand and make my postflop play really awkward and barely profitable.

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fyp


mix-uhhh yeah (???) [sorry im insanely drunbk]

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Originally Posted by Irisheyes

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Originally Posted by mixchange

nuts, do you 4bet 100% pre with aces in this spot also?

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You need a crazier image.

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of course if villain has seen us 3bet and 4bet already its auto4bet with AA

Why do we want villain to fold almost always?

most villains though to an unknown give cold 4bets credit and ppl will fold even AK and QQ in this spot, so id rather 4bet here with blockers to get a fold, which I think villain is doing almost always unless they are a spewtard. more value imo if we flat with AA

how are u getting value by repping that you have one of the best hands possible. if you are able to get value by repping very clearly that you have TT-QQ when you actually have AA, you would also be getting value by 4betting because he would shove with anything strong enough to give you action in such a situation.

I think at 200NL people know to stack off with TPTK with AK, AQ and KQish on a board with some draws, but see a cold 4bet and assign the top 2% of your range, where by flatting I think they stack off with a much wider range or put 1/2 their stack in

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Originally Posted by mixchange

I think at 200NL people know to stack off with TPTK with AK, AQ and KQish on a board with some draws, but see a cold 4bet and assign the top 2% of your range, where by flatting I think they stack off with a much wider range or put 1/2 their stack in

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If this is really how it's interpreted, then it's clear that the adjustment should be to 4-bet bluff more, as opposed to start flatting KK/AA in this spot!

you are still placing the burden on them to hit top pair on the flop, which doesnt happen often enough. theres no way they are stacking off with high cards on a random board unimproved vs a cold call of their 3bet. If you are hoping for them to stack off with top pair on the flop with a high card 3bet range of AK/AQ/KQ when u have AA, then u should just 4bet preflop because they will get it in with at least AK out of that range (occasionally AQ if you have an acceptable image), which they will have with roughly the same frequency as they hit will hit top pair on the flop if you cold call , not to mention stacking off with JJ-KK always whereas a bad flop could deter action from any of those hands as well.