Terrible river edit: new hand added

Villain is kinda stationy but not to much info. River is terrible card. b/f, c/c or c/f all seem somewhat viable but I am least likely to c/f. b/F $9 ok?

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SB: $61.35
Hero (BB): $52.85
UTG: $50
MP: $50
CO: $81.05
BTN: $65

Pre-Flop: T:heart: T:diamond: dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG raises to $1.75, 2 folds, BTN calls $1.75, SB calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.25

Flop: ($7) T:club: Q:club: 5:heart: (4 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($7) 4:spade: (4 Players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5, UTG folds, BTN calls $5, SB folds

River: ($17) 9:club: (2 Players)
[color=red]Hero?

Why would you check the flop?

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Think you gotta bomb the flop.. I know it's a bit cliché and everyone likes to check the nuts for a c/r in earlier position in the multiway pots, but it's just too drawy now. On the river as played I'd probably c/c up to $12 or just b/f $8-$10 too sometimes. Oh and squeeze it preflop?

AK AQ KQ KJ QT and all FD's and a ton of other hands are not folding, you hit your set, so start getting the money in. That scarecard is not just scaring you, it may scare the action away as well. HU I check to someone I know will bet, multiway I take over. C/R into a 4 way pot is not only wrong but it tips your hand. You won't C/R KQ here so why tell every hand that wants to continue what you have.

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Originally Posted by yourfather

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You should bet this flop, esp. in multi-way, like 100% of the time.

This is a multiway raised pot and you have a nutlike but very vulnerable hand on a really wet board. If I'm in last position with AK/AJ I'm checking behind but will call a reasonable bet on the flop. If you bet you probably get at least 1 if not 2 callers and then pot or shove the turn and river play is made simple.

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Originally Posted by baudib

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Originally Posted by yourfather

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You should bet this flop, esp. in multi-way, like 100% of the time.

This is a multiway raised pot and you have a nutlike but very vulnerable hand on a really wet board. If I'm in last position with AK/AJ I'm checking behind but will call a reasonable bet on the flop. If you bet you probably get at least 1 if not 2 callers and then pot or shove the turn and river play is made simple.

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Yah thissss

Its very different going for a c/r when the flop is HU and likely to be cont bet, than when the flop is multiway.

id say a c/r would be optimal even 3 handed, but since its a 4handed pot i do prefer a lead here for 3/4 pot.

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Originally Posted by nutsinho

id say a c/r would be optimal even 3 handed, but since its a 4handed pot i do prefer a lead here for 3/4 pot.

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Wouldn't you want to pot the flop? If UTG calls, the other two players can call with a pretty wide range...
I guess there's no way to give flush draws bad odds here.

like everyone else has said just lead out on the flop. c/ring is screaming out what you have and you aren't going to get much action.

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Originally Posted by jackvance

Oh and squeeze it preflop?

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why would we want to turn our very good hand into a bluff vs an UTG raiser?

I guess you guys are right. I felt like donking into a 4-way pot would set off alarm bells as well and I did not think this flop would get checked around often at all.

An I don't think a c/r would totally tip my hand. I think alot of big draws would c/r this as well.

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Originally Posted by yourfather

I guess you guys are right. I felt like donking into a 4-way pot would set off alarm bells as well and I did not think this flop would get checked around often at all.

An I don't think a c/r would totally tip my hand. I think alot of big draws would c/r this as well.

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draws are leading more than c/ring here iyam.

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Originally Posted by jackvance

Oh and squeeze it preflop?

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why would we want to turn our very good hand into a bluff vs an UTG raiser?[/quote]

i) So that we don't just squeeze with crap

ii) Because a 10.5x big blind haul isn't bad for TT

iii) Because TT plays ok HU

That said, I'm not sure I'd squeeze here, but there are some valid reasons, particularly as we don't know how aggro UTG is.

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Originally Posted by bode

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Originally Posted by jackvance

Oh and squeeze it preflop?

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why would we want to turn our very good hand into a bluff vs an UTG raiser?

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i) So that we don't just squeeze with crap

ii) Because a 10.5x big blind haul isn't bad for TT

iii) Because TT plays ok HU

That said, I'm not sure I'd squeeze here, but there are some valid reasons, particularly as we don't know how aggro UTG is.

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i agree with all of this, but when OP leads his post with "Villain seems kind of stationy" along with him being UTG, i dont like squeezing TT here at all.

Similar hand. Is this what you guys are talking about huh? 3 bet this flop or just call?


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BB: $55.35
UTG: $52.95
MP: $47.60
CO: $52.55
BTN: $50.75
Hero (SB): $62.65

Pre-Flop: J:spade: J:club: dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG raises to $1.75, MP calls $1.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.50, BB calls $1.25

Flop: ($7) J:heart: 2:heart: 8:club: (4 Players)
Hero bets $5, BB folds, UTG raises to $10, MP folds, Hero calls $5

Turn: ($27) 3:spade: (2 Players)
Hero bets $15, UTG calls $15

River: ($57) 6:club: (2 Players)
Hero bets $27.50, UTG folds

Results: $57 Pot ($2.85 Rake)
Hero mucked J:spade: J:club: and WON $54.15 (+$27.40 NET)

calling flop and leading turn is certainly the worst line possible

awesome. so 3bet flop or c/r turn?

I'm guessing that nuts is thinking is that you probably stack all of his overpairs and even his draws if you check-raise turn because he can't check behind very often.

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Originally Posted by yourfather

awesome. so 3bet flop or c/r turn?

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def

Against semi competent to better players I like donk/calling the flop, then check raising the turn allin. Against donks i generally just play my hand really strongly, i.e. donk then 4 bet their raise etc.