I really wanna shovee

Dude is 40/15/4 over 50~ hands. No solid reads...just know hes a fish. I think he could be c/r this flop with a really wide range here, and his turn bet just reeks of a scared 8...Are we shoving or flatting this riv?

$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG primaxp ($18.90)
UTG+1 N/A NOW ($100.95)
CO Roduk ($100.90)
BTN Hero ($102.95)
SB jags222 ($74.25)
BB NickTheBiiip ($22.75)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is BTN :as: :8d:
1 fold, N/A NOW calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $5, 2 folds, N/A NOW calls $4

Flop: :3d: :8s: :4s: ($11.50, 2 players)
N/A NOW checks, Hero bets $7, N/A NOW raises to $14, Hero calls $7

Turn: :jh: ($39.50, 2 players)
N/A NOW bets $12, Hero calls $12

River: :8h: ($63.50, 2 players)
N/A NOW bets $20, Hero..

do it

i would play all in

so judging by ur comments...this isnt even close?

vs a passive postflop or tight preflop player it would probably be a call because their ranges would be much more polarized toward boat/air. vs a 40/15/4 donkey making stupid betsizes its a clear shove.

this is classic loose/passive draw play. i feel like we can raise the turn here alot.

So many hands i see this guy calling a shove with, its amazing sometimes i shove in these kinda spots vs fish what they come up with. He has a very marginal hand here and if he got some kind of showdown value he will call your shove

I think you're good here 95% of the time or more and he can call with worse (like a pair of 7s).

Shove because nuts says shove.

ya that

I just don't see how our relative hand strength has changed at all

also, I obv just have to play devil's advocate b/c as we know this thread was over once nuts posted in it

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I just don't see how our relative hand strength has changed at all

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... serious?

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I just don't see how our relative hand strength has changed at all

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what besides JXss are we now beating that we weren't on the flop+turn?

99-tt, 8x

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I just don't see how our relative hand strength has changed at all

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... serious?

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what besides JXss are we now beating that we weren't on the flop+turn?

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spenda is absolutely right about this and is part of my thought process as well, but the information we've gained from his pansy ass random bets coupled with his donkishness overrides this.

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Originally Posted by bigspenda73

I just don't see how our relative hand strength has changed at all

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... serious?

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what besides JXss are we now beating that we weren't on the flop+turn?

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This hand isn't against a solid TAG. We beat all his badly played overpairs and bottom two pair. Plus now he's way more likely to pay us off with an eight where he may not have before because he definitely doesn't understand relative hand strength.