3-barrelling on river scare card

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01-03-2009, 10:02 PM
DoanDiggy

3-barrelling on river scare card

I thought there was a pretty good chance I had the best hand when I bet on the flop and turn, but after he called my turn bet, I wasn't so sure. Do you like my river bet? I didn't expect any huge folds (2 pair or trips), but I thought it might fold out 77, 88, and maybe even a pair of 9s or TT with how passive villain played. Also, I would play hands like broadway-h&9h+, 99+, 55-44, 22, and A3s similarly, so I felt like my bluff (if I was indeed behind) was good for range balancing.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 ($29.15)
MP1 ($29.60)
MP2 ($35)
Hero (CO) ($26.40)
Button ($18.95)
SB ($29.25)
BB ($10.55)
UTG ($7.85)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 1 fold, SB calls $0.65, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.75) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.20, SB calls $1.20

Turn: ($4.15) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.50, SB calls $2.50

River: ($9.15) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5

Interesting... even against a fairly wide CO range (22+,A2s+,K7s+,Q8s+,J8s+,T8s+,98s,87s,76s,65s,54s, A8o+,K9o+,QTo+,JTo), TT is only about 60% on this river. Since my range is probably better than that given the betting, TT should be folding here a lot if they know what they're doing.
01-03-2009, 11:50 PM

that's not a scare card because there was no flush draw on the flop
if I have TT I'll just call the river anyway
01-03-2009, 11:51 PM
avs33

Any reads on SB? We need to give him a range that he would be calling PF with in the SB. Don't mind the flop and turn play. If you get called on the river obv. your getting called by a hand that always beats you. I would probably check behind on the river.
01-04-2009, 12:04 AM
swiggidy

semi-amateur tip: Don't 3barrell at 25NL.

*stated previously as "don't bluff two streets at micro stakes"
01-04-2009, 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swiggidy

semi-amateur tip: Don't 3barrell at 25NL.

*stated previously as "don't bluff two streets at micro stakes"

that's not always true
you can 3b when you have been betting a strong draw and all the draws possibly just missed and you're fairly sure the guy has a draw as well in which case you can throw out a 1/3 pot bet on the river and take it down

but if you're going to barrel, do it for the RIGHT reason
01-04-2009, 01:00 AM
kmind

You CAN 3 barrel at 25NL but it should be RARE and you should figure out why
01-04-2009, 08:53 AM
nice_aiau

88+ are still calling this river bet if they thought they were ahead on the turn.
a more appropriate scare card would be an ace then a backdoor flush draw.
01-04-2009, 11:58 AM
DoanDiggy

Thanks for the advice. Villain folded FWIW, but at least I know this is a bad play generally.
01-04-2009, 02:00 PM
a500lbgorilla

I would always check behind on the turn, bet odd rivers if this line tends to get looked up. I would bet 2 streets, check behind on rivers if this line gets looked up. If opponents are buuholes, I would check behind turn and call river/check river. Sometimes I would option to check behind the flop and call/bet the turn.
01-04-2009, 02:08 PM
DoanDiggy

I was curious, so I ran my range (including some bluffs) here against a few hands. TT is an instacall. As for some other hands, needing better than 26% equity to make this call profitable against my range, any 9 is ahead often enough to make it, 88 is close, and 77 is too far behind.

Code:

Hand 0: 42.534% 42.08% 00.45% 279 3.00 { 22+, AKs, AhQh, AhTh, A9s, A3s, KhQh, KhTh, K9s, QhTh, Q9s, J9s, AKo, A9o, K9o } Hand 1: 57.466% 57.01% 00.45% 378 3.00 { TT } Hand 0: 64.474% 64.47% 00.00% 588 0.00 { 22+, AKs, AhQh, AhTh, A9s, A3s, KhQh, KhTh, K9s, QhTh, Q9s, J9s, AKo, A9o, K9o } Hand 1: 35.526% 35.53% 00.00% 324 0.00 { 93o } Hand 0: 70.089% 69.64% 00.45% 468 3.00 { 22+, AKs, AhQh, AhTh, A9s, A3s, KhQh, KhTh, K9s, QhTh, Q9s, J9s, AKo, A9o, K9o } Hand 1: 29.911% 29.46% 00.45% 198 3.00 { 88 } Hand 0: 75.446% 75.00% 00.45% 504 3.00 { 22+, AKs, AhQh, AhTh, A9s, A3s, KhQh, KhTh, K9s, QhTh, Q9s, J9s, AKo, A9o, K9o } Hand 1: 24.554% 24.11% 00.45% 162 3.00 { 77 }

So my river bet is pretty bad considering that I only expect a good player to fold 1 hand that beats me, and certainly no one that I'm beating is calling.

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

I would always check behind on the turn, bet odd rivers if this line tends to get looked up. I would bet 2 streets, check behind on rivers if this line gets looked up. If opponents are buuholes, I would check behind turn and call river/check river. Sometimes I would option to check behind the flop and call/bet the turn.

I felt like I had to bet that flop because I felt I was ahead of villain's range and I might get looked up with overs. I agree that checking behind the turn is probably more longterm profitable without a read that villain is a calling station. And of course, as played I needed to bet more (full pot) or check behind the river, with checking behind being the preferable choice.