I'm a borderline retard part 2

Okay this one could be a huge spew. I think half the discussion can go to the actual hand on whether or not its good or bad, but some discussion could go to even those who think this hand is bad, whats the best way to play it without folding the flop.


fabstinho is nothing special of a reg, aggressive but not spewy or anything. lakshmi is somewhat of a fish but will make folds and what not. I decided not to bet the flop here but i think betting the flop and betting 3 streets against fabstinho and c/f with any other outcome would be good. I think if I check I can get a lot of credibility for AA/JJ obv, especially since its fourway and jesus it would be so surprising to everyone to see a bluff here. Okay so here's the hand.


PokerStars Game #24205583968: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2009/01/23 18:53:14 ET
Table 'Euneus VI' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: heybude ($1912 in chips)
Seat 2: doudy13 ($667.50 in chips)
Seat 3: fabstinho ($1680.25 in chips)
Seat 4: FastEddie267 ($1213 in chips)
Seat 5: IMSAKIDD ($226 in chips)
Seat 6: lakshmi2005 ($3169.30 in chips)
IMSAKIDD: posts small blind $5
lakshmi2005: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to heybude [Kh Qc]
heybude: raises $20 to $30
doudy13: calls $30
fabstinho: calls $30
FastEddie267: folds
IMSAKIDD: folds
lakshmi2005: calls $20
*** FLOP *** [Jh Ah 3c]
lakshmi2005: checks
heybude: checks
doudy13: checks
fabstinho: bets $100
lakshmi2005: calls $100
heybude: raises $220 to $320

I had a really hard time with raise size here. There's really no way with stack sizes i could set up a raise with a 5/4ths pot overbet or so on turn to fold out flush draws like I thought initially. Also, I thought that looked less credible for AA/JJ. Here I thought I could easily set up 3 streets, and maybe, but really really not likely, fold out AJ/33 if the guy make a ridiculous fold, but i didnt count on it. I also thought if fabstinho calls i could just give up and win versus fd's sometimes. If lakshmi called 3 streets was much more +EV.

I much prefer b-3bet the flop with less dead money but more fold equity

Ya this seems a little insane as played but wtv u prob shipped it vs QThh so nh

Since you make no reference to QThh in your post I've got to be with Geni and say nh :)

I'm not too happy about the fact that we know he doesn't have the NFD...

I really can't see him folding any made hand here ever (and he's obviously not folding a draw). It would be totally ridiculous to put 55% of your stack in on the flop and then fold? Why on earth would he do that? I mean let's assume that people at these stakes don't play that stupidly. The way I see it your fold equity here is 0 against anyone remotely competent (if this is air, then it's huge spew).

I love what this does to your image though.

Okay just thought about this hand tonight. He's probably more likely to have 33/AJ here than a fd, so the shove is obviously retarded. I'm going to edit to just show the raise, because i think the raise on the flop could be good.

This looks fine, invite them in and then hammer the turn. I haven't experimented enough with this myself.

this seems spewy 4way, it doesnt matter if they dont think ur bluffing, they can so easily have unfoldable hands