I'm starting to suck. Help me.

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01-29-2009, 02:11 AM
grindwell

I'm starting to suck. Help me.

Don't no why I've never posted hands before. I guess I just thought I played good, lol. But I've been sucking lately and I need help!

These are all hands from tonight's session, I realize I was probably on tilt a couple of these hands, but I was in denial during play. A lot of these hands might make say "WTF, were you thinking?!"

That's why I'm here to improve my game with your advice.

Before we continue, I want to point out a few things I believe I need to work on.

Blind play, 3betting in poistion, playing an overpair in a 3bet pot, playing an overpair oop...etc.

Hand 1
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($86.20)
Hero (UTG) ($67.05)
MP ($50)
Button ($88.65)
SB ($51.60)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif
Hero raises to $2, MP calls $2, Button raises to $7.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $5.50, MP calls $5.50

Flop: ($23.25) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, Button bets $19.50, Hero calls $19.50, 1 fold

Turn: ($62.25) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $42, Hero calls $40.05 (All-In)

River: ($142.35) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $142.35 | Rake: $3

Hand 2
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($50)
Button ($79.55)
SB ($39.20)
BB ($50)
Hero (UTG) ($55.75)
MP ($87.15)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif
Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, Button raises to $6.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $4.75

Flop: ($14.25) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $13, Hero raises to $49 (All-In), Button calls $36

Turn: ($112.25) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($112.25) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $112.25 | Rake: $3

Hand 3
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($43.75)
Hero (BB) ($64.10)
UTG ($49.85)
MP ($124.80)
CO ($59.95)
Button ($72.85)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif
UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, CO raises to $2.25, Button calls $2.25, SB calls $2, Hero calls $1.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($9.50) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets $7, SB raises to $23.50, Hero calls $23.50, 2 folds

Turn: ($63.50) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
SB bets $18 (All-In), Hero calls $18

River: ($99.50) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $99.50 | Rake: $3

Hand 4
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($77.25)
BB ($47.55)
MP ($50.85)
CO ($49.35)
Hero (Button) ($60.75)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif
1 fold, CO calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.50, 2 folds, CO calls $2

Flop: ($5.75) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $3.50, CO calls $3.50

Turn: ($12.75) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $7, CO calls $7

River: ($26.75) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $15, CO calls $15

Total pot: $56.75 | Rake: $2.80

I've deleted the results, I want to get some feedback on what I should have done differently. Keep in mind that I lost each of these hands.
01-29-2009, 02:38 AM
bigspenda73

hand 1, he's a maniac, easy all in

hand 2, he's a total nit, easy fold
01-29-2009, 02:53 AM
minSim

^ We need some info about the villains here grindwell.
01-29-2009, 03:31 AM
XTR1000

#1 Not sure, reads could make your line okay, but vs tight opp we can fold turn

#2 If you´re going to take it to the turn, I don´t think a check/jam accomplishes a lot

#3 wait, I misread the HH. Tough, I can´t see many hands that we´re ahead of. Yet, I´d play the same.

#4 standard, you should be ahead almost always on river given his line
01-29-2009, 03:47 AM
mcatdog

Re: I'm starting to suck. Help me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by grindwell

I've deleted the results...Keep in mind that I lost each of these hands.

lol
01-29-2009, 06:33 AM
nutsinho

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcatdog

Quote:

Originally Posted by grindwell

I've deleted the results...Keep in mind that I lost each of these hands.

lol

qflol
01-29-2009, 07:19 AM
CasalRoyal

Re: I'm starting to suck. Help me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by grindwell

Hand 1
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($86.20)
Hero (UTG) ($67.05)
MP ($50)
Button ($88.65)
SB ($51.60)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif
Hero raises to $2, MP calls $2, Button raises to $7.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $5.50, MP calls $5.50

Flop: ($23.25) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, Button bets $19.50, Hero calls $19.50, 1 fold

Turn: ($62.25) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $42, Hero calls $40.05 (All-In)

River: ($142.35) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $142.35 | Rake: $3

I´d have never went all-in two pair since the board allows a made full house, a flush draw, and a runner-runner straight draw for my opponent. Too Risky!
01-29-2009, 07:31 AM
CasalRoyal

Re: I'm starting to suck. Help me.

Hey! Two JJ pair making two pair twice in a row?! Amazing! That´s charming... Ehehehe... It seems you lost againt a better full house! That´s disgusting... But I think you played well - despite of the possible made full hand just after the flop! Again, I use to play tight with a pair to the board...

Quote:

Originally Posted by grindwell

Hand 2
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($50)
Button ($79.55)
SB ($39.20)
BB ($50)
Hero (UTG) ($55.75)
MP ($87.15)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif
Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, Button raises to $6.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $4.75

Flop: ($14.25) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $13, Hero raises to $49 (All-In), Button calls $36

Turn: ($112.25) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($112.25) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $112.25 | Rake: $3
01-29-2009, 07:43 AM
CasalRoyal

Re: I'm starting to suck. Help me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by grindwell

Hand 3

Once again?
You´d better leave, take a walk, and come back just some hours latter... Once I was beaten 5 or 6 times against just the next better hand... That tilts a person!
01-29-2009, 07:59 AM
CasalRoyal

Re: I'm starting to suck. Help me.

Well, well, well... AK is just like a mith, almost like AA... Better watch out!

Quote:

Originally Posted by grindwell

Hand 4
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($77.25)
BB ($47.55)
MP ($50.85)
CO ($49.35)
Hero (Button) ($60.75)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif
01-29-2009, 11:49 AM
bigspenda73

well that's some sick post-whoring
01-29-2009, 12:40 PM
Alexos

Quote:

Originally Posted by nutsinho

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcatdog

Quote:

Originally Posted by grindwell

I've deleted the results...Keep in mind that I lost each of these hands.

lol

qflol

god thats so awesome
01-29-2009, 01:04 PM
bode

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexos

Quote:

Originally Posted by nutsinho

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcatdog

Quote:

Originally Posted by grindwell

I've deleted the results...Keep in mind that I lost each of these hands.

lol

qflol

god thats so awesome

i dont know what you guys are talking about, if he hadn't posted that i would have never known.
01-29-2009, 01:10 PM
bigspenda73

Mcat went with the easy one, I thought about going with "does he look like a man beaten by Jacks?"
01-29-2009, 01:33 PM
drmcboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by grindwell

I've deleted the results...Keep in mind that I lost each of these hands.

And God said "Let this be your signature. Go and fight against results everywhere."
01-29-2009, 04:16 PM
grindwell

I think that just by posting these hands I have prepared myself mentally. It's like I just admitted to FTR that I suck and we all know the first step to fixing a problem is admitting you have one. With that said, I will post hands from tonight's session and we'll see if anything has changed![/b]
01-29-2009, 04:55 PM
bigspenda73

yea this time don't post results and maybe post a read or two
01-29-2009, 09:09 PM
Parasurama

it's good that you realized you suck. it was the best day of poker in my life when i realized it
01-29-2009, 09:46 PM
AnTman_69

Is this Casal Royal Guy serious?
01-29-2009, 10:22 PM
IowaSkinsFan

hand 1: fold flop
hand 2: call flop
hand 3: just go all in instead of flatting the raise.
hand 4: alright, gj
01-29-2009, 10:34 PM
bjsaust

If you cant provide reads, that right there probably identifies your biggest problem.
01-30-2009, 01:23 AM
grindwell

Top 3 Winners/Losers of tonights session.

Hand 1

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($48.50)
BB ($88.25)
UTG ($188.35)
Hero (MP) ($79.25)
Button ($49.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.25) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3, BB calls $3

Turn: ($10.25) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $9, BB calls $9

River: ($28.25) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
BB bets $28.25, Hero raises to $56.50, BB raises to $74.25 (All-In), Hero calls $8.75 (All-In)

Total pot: $158.75 | Rake: $3

Results in white below:
BB had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (full house, Aces over sixes).
Hero had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (three of a kind, Aces).
Outcome: BB won $155.75

Hand 2
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (4 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($36.10)
BB ($58.85)
Hero (UTG) ($52)
Button ($28.80)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif
Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, SB raises to $6.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $52 (All-In), SB calls $29.60 (All-In)

Flop: ($72.70) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($72.70) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($72.70) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $72.70 | Rake: $2

Results in white below:
SB had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (one pair, Kings).
Hero had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (high card, Ace).
Outcome: SB won $70.70

Hand 3
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($48.70)
Button ($65.20)
SB ($52)
Hero (BB) ($50.30)
UTG ($64.65)
MP ($58)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif
UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, CO calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4, UTG calls $3.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($8.75) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $4, UTG calls $4

Turn: ($16.75) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $8, Hero calls $8

River: ($32.75) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $8, UTG calls $8

Total pot: $48.75 | Rake: $2.40

Results in white below:
Hero had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (three of a kind, Aces).
UTG had 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (straight, eight high).
Outcome: UTG won $46.35

Actually this is pretty much it, at least for the major losses. I was able to end the session up 3 buyins. I just wanted to get feedback on if I played any of these hands terrible, perhaps could have saved some money. I'm not even going to bother posting the winners cause it's just standard boring stuff.

Hand 1 The only thing I think I did wrong here was probably raise the river, I got greedy. Then again, based on my read, I thought I had the best hand.

Hand 2 This play is kinda meh, I like to throw this in sometimes. I like to push AK if someone 3bets out the blinds. I have no idea why, leak perhaps? I always think they are 3betting to steal. Like I said meh.

Hand 3 Do you thinking my betting is weak? I know the flop bet was definitely weak, but what do you think about the turn bet? I knew I was ahead, I guess I was trying to bet enough to where he would chase. River, I still thought my hand was good, given the previous action, I guess you can call this a value bet?
01-30-2009, 01:34 AM
AnTman_69

You ended up 3 buyins?? wow.
Yeah you've got to post reads here man, or the people here won't be able to help you much. If you don't have reads, then as ben said "If you cant provide reads, that right there probably identifies your biggest problem". And delete those results b4 everyone sees them.
01-30-2009, 01:37 AM
bigspenda73

jesus christ sometimes I feel god sent people to earth to test my patience

hand 1: fold the river, he obv has A6

hand 2: fold PF this is KK 99.9% of the time

hand 3: c/f river, fish obv hit is 67
01-30-2009, 01:47 AM
grindwell

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

jesus christ sometimes I feel god sent people to earth to test my patience

hand 1: fold the river, he obv has A6

hand 2: fold PF this is KK 99.9% of the time

hand 3: c/f river, fish obv hit is 67

You're my hero!
01-30-2009, 03:49 AM
Stacks

Quote:

Originally Posted by grindwell

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

jesus christ sometimes I feel god sent people to earth to test my patience

hand 1: fold the river, he obv has A6

hand 2: fold PF this is KK 99.9% of the time

hand 3: c/f river, fish obv hit is 67

You're my hero!

You're are the worst hand poster evar! wtf is this "based on my read I thought I had the best hand".. Post your damn read!

Oh and in all seriousness the best way to see if you played a hand good or not is to look at the results of the hand.. If you won then you obviously played it stellar.. If not then reevaluate why. But I'm sure you already knew this.
01-30-2009, 04:09 AM
ATOTHEC101

In your new post:

Hand 1: Just call river.

Hand 2: I'd just flat his 3 bet and see a flop, your utg thus he should give you alot of respect, he looks very strong.

hand 3 is played so badly it makes me want to cry, your iso size is way to big for a start, just make it $3, as played bet a little bigger on flop, $5.50ish, and if your gonna check the turn check raise, check calling is beyond horrible. Also your river donk bet sucks ass. You said in your original post you thought you played good, looking at all the hands you posted you definitely dont, post more hands.
01-30-2009, 05:20 AM
bjsaust

Quote:

Originally Posted by bjsaust

If you cant provide reads, that right there probably identifies your biggest problem.

People will only try for so long.
01-30-2009, 07:44 AM
nutsinho

everyone berated you for posting results. then you posted more results.
01-30-2009, 08:04 AM
Stacks

Quote:

Originally Posted by nutsinho

everyone berated you for posting results. then you posted more results.

It's absolutely amazing sometimes.. It's like they post hands wanting feedback, and then don't even read the feedback.. How the hell does he miss the berating? Or is he expecting us to just overlook it?
01-30-2009, 09:15 AM
Parasurama

Quote:

Originally Posted by XxStacksxX

Quote:

Originally Posted by nutsinho

everyone berated you for posting results. then you posted more results.

It's absolutely amazing sometimes.. It's like they post hands wanting feedback, and then don't even read the feedback.. How the hell does he miss the berating? Or is he expecting us to just overlook it?

Wait, so you're saying that he should worry about how people respond to his posts? That seems like results-oriented thinking.
01-30-2009, 09:44 AM
griffey24

OP - there's no value in just posting your biggest winners or losers of the day. If the biggest pot you lost was AA vs KK all in preflop, would you post it? There's nothing to learn from that. Post hands that you actually considered to be tough spots. Even a small pot can be a tough spot.

As played:

hand 1 - he's leading pot into you on river, I'm not raising this river very often. Feels like a slow played boat to me. I don't think a hand like AT is just gonna lead pot here.

hand 2 - This is completely reads based, and how nitty SB is and how nitty you've been. I think people are strong in this spot a lot, so it depends how aggro he is. I might flat IP sometimes in this spot.

hand 3 - This hand puts me on tilt.. both players in the hand. I don't hate the turn check, but once he bets such nonsense I'm c/r here. As played, bet waaaay more on the river or c/c again if you think he's weak.
01-30-2009, 11:30 AM
nice_aiau

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexos

Quote:

Originally Posted by nutsinho

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcatdog

Quote:

Originally Posted by grindwell

I've deleted the results...Keep in mind that I lost each of these hands.

lol

qflol

god thats so awesome

This needs screenshot and put in pictures that make u lol.
lol.
01-30-2009, 04:25 PM
rewfie40

Quote:

Originally Posted by grindwell

I'm not even going to bother posting the winners cause it's just standard boring stuff.

o rly? I tend to think these may be even more entertaining.
01-30-2009, 05:57 PM
technician

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Mcat went with the easy one, I thought about going with "does he look like a man beaten by Jacks?"

i like this haha

but i have to point out "jacks are a monster compaired to the shit you play"
lol